Elliot B. Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I have installed them, but I doubt they'll do much for my 9800 Pro. What is faster, the X1800 or the 7800 GTX? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DELTA75329 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Before I re-formatted I always used to have problems if I didn't uninstall.? Now I don't have a problem.? I don't think you have to uninstall everytime.? Maybe every other build or if it's a major upgrade.? I see no reason to uninstall first every time. 586798098[/snapback] Excellent.. thanks. The reason I ask is because I installed the 5.9 drivers on top of the old 5.8 and haven't ever had any issues. This was something I couldn't do when I had an nVidia ca:happy:ppy: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798109 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANova Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 I have installed them, but I doubt they'll do much for my 9800 Pro. What is faster, the X1800 or the 7800 GTX? 586798108[/snapback] They're both roughly the same, though the X1800s are faster when you turn on AA. They also have more features. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gshapiro Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 One strange thing I wound up with after installing these is when I change my visual style instead of taking the usual 5 seconds or so it takes like 30 seconds for the new style to take affect. Feeling that this might just be one of many quirky things I rolled the driver back. But guess what? Still had the same problem. So I had to restore a TrueImage image I made this morning. No more problem. Think I'll ride this release out for awhile. :-) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextGen_Gamer Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 what are the advantages of using the catalyst control center over just the drivers? 586797779[/snapback] No performance advantages or anything like that, but the CCC does include one extra option that is not in the regular Control Panel: you can change the Catalyst A.I. option from Off, Low, or High. With the regular Control Panel drivers, the default (and un-changable) option is Low. Here are the differences: High: Specific PC Game optimizations, only trilinear filtering on first pass when ansiotropic filtering is enabled, bilinear filtering on all other passes. Low: Only trilinear filtering on first pass when ansiotropic filtering is enabled, bilinear filtering on all other passes. Off: Full trilinear filtering on all passes when ansiotropic filtering is enabled (best quality obviously). If you have a high-end ATI card, it is actually nice to turn Catalyst A.I. off and get the best image quality. If you don't want to install CCC (and who does?), you can still turn Catalyst A.I. off using ATITool (a free tool usually used for overclocking ATI cards). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0nic69 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 cool to know, but ill stick with the ones i have for now, i think its the 510 one. thanks anyways. :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANova Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 There is no reason ever to turn CatAI off. It provides many optimizations that do not affect image quality. Turning it off only lowers your framerate. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted November 11, 2005 MVC Share Posted November 11, 2005 Thanks for the news, I'll probably end up updating some time today! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue` Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 Counter Strike:Source got a little fps increase on my 9800Pro with these over the last version i had installed (5.10a). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarden Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 ATI Tray Tool pwns all :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 ATI Tray Tool pwns all :) 586798246[/snapback] How old are you? Just wondering... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarden Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 No performance advantages or anything like that, but the CCC does include one extra option that is not in the regular Control Panel: you can change the Catalyst A.I. option from Off, Low, or High. With the regular Control Panel drivers, the default (and un-changable) option is Low. Here are the differences:High: Specific PC Game optimizations, only trilinear filtering on first pass when ansiotropic filtering is enabled, bilinear filtering on all other passes. Low: Only trilinear filtering on first pass when ansiotropic filtering is enabled, bilinear filtering on all other passes. Off: Full trilinear filtering on all passes when ansiotropic filtering is enabled (best quality obviously). If you have a high-end ATI card, it is actually nice to turn Catalyst A.I. off and get the best image quality. If you don't want to install CCC (and who does?), you can still turn Catalyst A.I. off using ATITool (a free tool usually used for overclocking ATI cards). 586798190[/snapback] not sure about Your explaining of this as You can affect these settings by changing typical filtering options already... also even AI low includes specific game optimizations ... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarden Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 How old are you? Just wondering... 586798253[/snapback] :blink: i'm sorry but this was "late" reaction to something posted 3 pages backward (post count jumped way too fast since i got opened this forum page) ... :whistle: anyway the answer is 26 ... and You? :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 :blink: i'm sorry but this was "late" reaction to something posted 3 pages backward (post count jumped way too fast since i got opened this forum page) ... :whistle: anyway the answer is 26 ... and You? :) 586798284[/snapback] You didn't pick up what I meant it seems :p I am 19 mate. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarden Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 You didn't pick up what I meant it seems :pI am 19 mate. 586798288[/snapback] yes i picked you probably got in mind the way how it was posted ... i forgot use "quote" ... as this was reaction to discussion about CCC/CP ... who needs them when there exist ATT :) right ? :cool: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon2611 Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 and the stupid download verifcation thing for the mobilty drivers says that my notebook it not compatable with the drivers again! :angry: looks like i shall have to go hunting for a full download of the mobilty drivers again and just like with 5.9 and 5.10 they will proably work fine again Usless crappy detection utility :angry: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot B. Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 yes i picked you probably got in mind the way how it was posted ... i forgot use "quote" ... as this was reaction to discussion about CCC/CP ... 586798299[/snapback] Kind of :whistle: :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextGen_Gamer Posted November 11, 2005 Share Posted November 11, 2005 There is no reason ever to turn CatAI off. It provides many optimizations that do not affect image quality. Turning it off only lowers your framerate. 586798202[/snapback] It lowers your framerate because you are getting a higher level of texture clarity. ATI explained everything I just said when Catalyst A.I. was first released. not sure about Your explaining of this as You can affect these settings by changing typical filtering options already...also even AI low includes specific game optimizations ... 586798275[/snapback] No, you can't. You can only change the Mip-map and texture quality (which are different than what I am talking about). Also, Catalyst A.I. on Low does not include specific game optimizations, only when set on High mode (which is the default for CCC I believe). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586798376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viciv Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 and the stupid download verifcation thing for the mobilty drivers says that my notebook it not compatable with the drivers again! :angry: looks like i shall have to go hunting for a full download of the mobilty drivers again and just like with 5.9 and 5.10 they will proably work fine again Usless crappy detection utility :angry: 586798309[/snapback] same here :( Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586799882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwarden Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 It lowers your framerate because you are getting a higher level of texture clarity. ATI explained everything I just said when Catalyst A.I. was first released.No, you can't. You can only change the Mip-map and texture quality (which are different than what I am talking about). Also, Catalyst A.I. on Low does not include specific game optimizations, only when set on High mode (which is the default for CCC I believe). 586798376[/snapback] of course You can ... just use ATT :) anyway i stand behind that Catalyst AI low include game specific optimizations (as typical example we can take issues with FEAR where Catalyst AI low uses "tweak" for SP/MP demo and affects in negative way retail version... so if you want increase your fps in FEAR rename executable to e.g. fear1.exe) AI High uses more "agressive" optimizations ... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586800135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha_omega Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 anything that improves performance without compromising IQ is welcome... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586800145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 50% improvement on Q3A? SO if you were getting 300fps now you get 450fps :laugh: that it matters... :rolleyes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586800217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravek Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 after install 5.11 i have slow down the performance in desktop.... i have to disable hardware acceleration in desktop (Display Properties - Settings - Advanced - Troubleshoot) in 5.10 i don't have to disable this option.... helpppp!!! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586800518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
linsook Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 have they fixed the issue with all in wodners and hyperthreading? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586800543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextGen_Gamer Posted November 12, 2005 Share Posted November 12, 2005 after install 5.11 i have slow down the performance in desktop....i have to disable hardware acceleration in desktop (Display Properties - Settings - Advanced - Troubleshoot) in 5.10 i don't have to disable this option.... helpppp!!! 586800518[/snapback] Actually, I had this same problem when I installed Catalyst 5.11 on my machine. However, it appears it is a problem with the ATI Uninstall All program with Catalyst 5.10; not anything to do with Catalyst 5.11. To fix the problem, after you install Catalyst 5.11, use ATI's Uninstall All program. Reboot. After the reboot, delete the ATI Technologies folder in Program Files. Then, go into your system32 folder under WINDOWS, and delete every file that starts with "ati." Reboot again. By the way, after each reboot, make sure to stop Windows from trying to install drivers for your video card. Now, after you have done all of that, re-install Catalyst 5.11. Reboot (yes, again). Catalyst 5.11 should be installed correctly now and your slowdown problem in the Windows XP desktop should be gone. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/396721-ati-officially-releases-catalyst-511/page/2/#findComment-586801837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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