Pistons, Knicks shopping for KG

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If you're saying these players are not great then you need to go to a shrink. I'm guessing you didn't see the MVP Billups won in the NBA Finals, Wally being named to the all-rookie team (and averaging 15 points a game his entire career), Sam Cassell averaging ALMOST 20 POINTS PER GAME his first year as a Wolf (and a respectable 13.5 last year... over the hump my ass, BOOG), and Olowokandi averaging a good 9 points his entire career (not to mention 7.3 rebounds per game his entire career and the fact that everyone was trying to lure him away from the Clippers not too long ago).

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Read. It's fundamental.

Billups is your only really skilled player

For a shooting guard, 13.5 points is average. Wally's not a rookie anymore. Olowokandi is 15 feet tall. He should be a dominating center...not an average center. 9 points and 7 rebounds on a **** poor team in LA is horrible. If he's as dominating as you say, then he should have been putting up monster numbers there.

[Ayepecks]

Read.  It's fundamental. 

For a shooting guard, 13.5 points is average.  Wally's not a rookie anymore.  Olowokandi is 15 feet tall.  He should be a dominating center...not an average center.  9 points and 7 rebounds on a **** poor team in LA is horrible.  If he's as dominating as you say, then he should have been putting up monster numbers there.

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I'm not going to bother arguing it anymore. I never once claimed any of these players are "monsters," nor did I ever anywhere even imply anything close to such a crazed comment. If you're going to infer off of my posts, at least make it logical. All I said was that Garnett has been given his fair share of players to work with.

Keep telling yourself he's the only one on that team, though. Using your inference skills, I'll say you've been implying all along that he averages 115.7 points a game, 50.3 rebounds per game, and 9.8 blocked shots.

[golazo]

man, imagine if detroit got him, they'd be unstoppable on their way to get the chip. though they'll probably be able to get it without him anyway lol

115.7 points a game, 50.3 rebounds per game, and 9.8 blocked shots.

ouch, .2 blocks away from averaging a tripple double :p

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This is good great stuff. :laugh:

...and it's not like he hasn't had good players to play with, BOOG -- Cassell, Sprewell, Wally, Billups, Olowokandi, etc.

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If you're saying these players are not great then you need to go to a shrink.

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Scorpio reverse spin thrusters activated!

I'm not going to bother arguing it anymore. I never once claimed any of these players are "monsters," nor did I ever anywhere even imply anything close to such a crazed comment.

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I never said they were 'monsters'...reading is necessary here...seem to have a bit of trouble with that. I said regarding Michael "I'm good great, but not quite Monster-Like yet" Olowokandi:

If he's as dominating as you say, then he should have been putting up monster numbers there.

I'm sorry I suppose "great" is miles away from "monster"...because apparently it sure isn't a stretch to say Wally Sczerbiak is great. :laugh: Oh..one more thing...Olowokandi's real career stats are: PPG 8.9 | RPG 5.9 Not bad for a 7 foot 270 pound moveable force. ;)

[Ayepecks]

Yes, "great" is miles away from "monster." A "monster" player would be a Shaq, a Ben Wallace, a Rasheed Wallace, a Dirk, a Kobe, etc. in my book. Perhaps you should clarify next time instead of trying to have fun with words, BOOG, because obviously you are rather bad with your mastery of the English language. And, it should be mentioned that you were the one who started throwing the word "great" out there -- I merely continued using it when you referred to them as not being as such. Notice how I never once directly called any of the players "great" -- I only said I wouldn't consider them "not great" in the quote you mentioned. Keep trying to stick words in my mouth.

Nowhere did I back track, BOOG. The fact of the matter is you can't comprehend the difference between KG playing with good (and even great) players and "monster" (your word, not mine) players. I said he had a good supporting cast of players and that they would likely make the playoffs without him, although they would be a considerably worse team. I never once said they were "monster" players. I said the players I mentioned were good and great players.

I find it funny that you've done absolutely nothing to back up your comments other than trying to catch me changing my stance by putting words in my mouth, quoting portions of my post (you really should learn how to quote something properly -- with all pertinent information, BOOG) and putting one "stat" here (which I have no clue where you got, because everywhere I look says differently on Olowokandi's career numbers). Good job, BOOG.

Michael Olowkandi: Career  7.3 RPG, 9.0 PPG

Source: http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_olowokandi/index.html

I'm still waiting to find out how you figure Cassell is "over the hill" when he averaged 19.8 points per game in his first year with the Wolves -- not too far behind your beloved Garnett. And, yes, I did say Wally Szerbiak is a great player. Anyone who can average 15 points a game in the National Basketball Association is a great player in my book.

I'm STILL trying to figure out how I'm apparently making Olowokandi out to be some sort of amazing player, when I never once said he was such. I said he was a good player, and I said he averaged a good 9.0 points per game. Get away from the fact that I never once called him an amazing player, a monster player, or anything like that. Stop trying to put words in my mouth when you're the one concentrating on the issue, not me.

Reading is necessary here, BOOG, you seem to have a little bit of trouble with it. Please learn how to do it.

SeMz...: No, using BOOG's inference skills, he also averages 32.1 assists per game.

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If you're saying these players are not great then you need to go to a shrink.

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Great. Your word. Not mine. Make up your mind, Scorpy...Is Olowokandi good, or great?

Yes, "great" is miles away from "monster." A "monster" player would be a Shaq, a Ben Wallace, a Rasheed Wallace, a Dirk, a Kobe, etc. in my book. Perhaps you should clarify next time instead of trying to have fun with words, BOOG, because obviously you are rather bad with your mastery of the English language.

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I really think you are smarter than this.... I'll state my quote again:

If he's as dominating as you say, then he should have been putting up monster numbers there.

I'm saying if he's as great as you say he is (Olowokandi) then he should have been doing great on a poor team as the Clippers....guess what? He didn't. Those stats? ESPN.com. Oh. and your link...not sure where you get the 7.0 rebounds...it clearly states in his career stat area that he gets 5.7 Rebounds per game and 8.2 points. I'll be more than happy to print a screenshot if you would like.

I never once said they were "monster" players. I said the players I mentioned were good and great players.

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If you're saying these players are not great then you need to go to a shrink.

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Mmkay...sounds like all great to me. ;)

And, yes, I did say Wally Szerbiak is a great player. Anyone who can average 15 points a game in the National Basketball Association is a great player in my book.

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Get his Hall of Fame speech ready then. :laugh:

You're funny Scorpio -- You look good in those dance shoes. :laugh:

[Ayepecks]

No, Boogie, it definitely was your word. I'll just restate your post, since you seem to enjoy that:

My point was that he hasn't had a good team since he's been there!  In your attempt to show me that he has had the players, you rattled your 'all world' players of the likes of Cassell, Sprewell, Wally, Billups, and *stifles laughter* Olowokandi.

If you are saying those are GREAT players, then you really need to get out more.  :laugh:

He hasn't been on a great team yet.  You proved it by letting us all know the world of mediocrity he's had on his team.  So yeah.  Thanks for validating me....unless you are gonna mention other stellar players like Joe Smith.  :laugh:

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So, Boogie, make up your mind -- is it great, or is it monster? And, secondly, tell me where I ever called Olowokandi great. I said Kevin Garnett has played with great players and that if you think, COLLECTIVELY, he is not on a team with great players, that you need to get out more. Note, however, that GREAT was your word. You were the one who first said GREAT and you were the one who first said MONSTER, not I.

Secondly, keep putting words in my mouth. Post the entire quote next time, as it's all pertinent to the conversation, and you are taking all of my words out of context. If you wish to use my words as they were meant to, keep it in the original context and do not take it out of its original place.

Never once did I said Wally was a hall-of-fame quality player. I said he's a great player, nothing more. Stop trying to put words in my mouth, Boogie.

So, Boogie, please keep your own dancing shoes, as it is obviously you who has danced around every single issue -- the fact that you were the one who started with the whole obession over the meaning of the word (and I quote) GREAT, it was you who called them (and I quote) MONSTER, it is you who cannot back up your Olowokandi "stats", it is you who has yet to post any shred of actual statistics to back up your argument, it is you who has done nothing to back up your claim that Cassell is over the hill, it is you who's done nothing but try to play with words to get your point across and, most importantly of all, it is you who keeps attempting to put words in my mouth and has done nothing to validate your own argument.

Edit: Oh, and Boogie...

"Olowokandi's real career stats are: PPG 8.9 | RPG 5.9 Not bad for a 7 foot 270 pound moveable force."

"it clearly states in his career stat area that he gets 5.7 Rebounds per game and 8.2 points."

You clearly cannot read, my friend. Your area says 2005-2006 stats... mine clearly says career. See the below screenshot... I'm happy I could make it for you.

Read, Boogie. It's fundamental.

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Alright...got me on the stats. Chalk up another 1.6 rebounds and 0.8 points per game. Get his bust ready for the hall too, then. (Not hard to admit a mistake. You should try it now and then.) ;)

One last thing:

If you're saying these players are not great then you need to go to a shrink.

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If I brought it up, then you sure jumped on the bandwagon....as usual. My point still stands that those 4 clowns are nothing more than mediocre at best.

I'm done arguing this with a teenager. It's obviously pointless. You'll do well as someone's future boss. Heh.

[Ayepecks]

Alright...got me on the stats.  Chalk up another 1.6 rebounds and 0.8 points per game.    Get his bust ready for the hall too, then.  (Not hard to admit a mistake.  You should try it now and then.)  ;)

One last thing:

If I brought it up, then you sure jumped on the bandwagon....as usual.  My point still stands that those 4 clowns are nothing more than mediocre at best.

I'm done arguing this with a teenager.  It's obviously pointless.  You'll do well as someone's future boss.  Heh.

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I don't see any mistakes I've made thus far, therefore nothing to admit yet.

And yet again you resort to childish remarks, Boogie. 'Jumping on the bandwagon as usual'? Pardon me? I don't seem to recall me ever "jumping on the bandwagon" with anything anyone's here said, let alone you of all people.

It's still funny to me how you consider Billups, Wally and Cassell as "mediocre at best." Olowokandi isn't going to be an all-star anytime soon, but I'd say he's above mediocre as well. Two probably hall-of-famers in Billups and Cassell, yet they're both "mediocre at best." Then let's not forget about Sprewell who, although I dislike him greatly, was a good player.

And, you're right -- when a grown adult can't keep a valid argument by backing it up with factual information and instead replies upon insults, then it obviously is pointless. You wouldn't get your argument further than a 2-year old.

[BroChaos Veteran]

lol, what is going on in here?

this is all debating KG's supporting cast?

time for some fresh air guys ;)

[Gfunk4life]

KG to lakers for kobe:)

[Toxikk Veteran]

that could be the piece larry brown needs to really turn around the knickerbockers.