golazo Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 yeh just keep it there for people who still want it, ms probably wont find it there lol Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+vlsi0n Subscriber¹ Posted December 14, 2005 Subscriber¹ Share Posted December 14, 2005 Oh comon... someone copying a COPYRIGTED work is not allowed... for it to be legal you do have to do a certain amount of changes that distinquish it from the original work to claim artistic freedom to make a copy of something... Apple cracked down on people making OSX theme copies originally... They screamed at Stardock and a bunch of themers back when the pinstripe aqua theme came out... MS should be allowed to protect stuff they put a lot of money into also... if someone copied something you worked hard on and devalued you work, you'd be screaming too if it took money away from you. Thank you, while KoL was doing great work - it was not unique and was clearly trying to emulating Vista's visual theme. Don't act like this is the only company that would do this.. :rolleyes: This is bull. Starock emulated the whole goddamn Windows Vista engine (visual). KoL emultated the theme, and just that. Copyright dont matter as he made the images himself. If I made a computer company and called it Epple, and made a logo of a apple with a bit out of the left side guess how long it would take Apple to close that down.. same thing with the 'Mike Row' Soft(ware) company. Even though I made that apple with a bite in the left side it'd still be juct like copying. Another example - Google emulating the Apple's dock on their website, didnt take long for that to vanish offically. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmatik Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 not really, kol copied the vista theme, if the guy from ms never made the theme then kol would have never come up with it. and im my oppionion the way microsoft has the vista theme looks better than the one kol copied off them. i'm not bagging out kol, i like his theme, but you can't expect to copy someone with out them getting ****ed off Well, I see your point, however, we all have seen many releases of XP look-alikes for use on 2000 or 98. I still stand by my reasoning. KoL is known, he made an impact on themes for Windows. If someone unknown released the same work, I highly doubt Microsoft would make notice. Personally, I haven't used Vista nor have I meticulously gone through screenshots to compare them, so I will trust you on that one. Is KoL's work an EXACT copy or something? Or did he take liberties to make it a bit different? I don't know, either way, I think it's weak. I'm not going to buy Vista for the damn theme and I doubt anyone else will. If that is what Microsoft is worried about, they better go back and re-think their marketing techniques (you know, learn from the Xbox team about what NOT to do) :devil: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
»X« Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 My arse kinda looks like bill gates. I wonder who would sue who first?! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK1150 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 They asked him to remove it, they aren't suing him. Who cares. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptMalSG1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 It's an image thing. KoL, Bant...those guys make Microsoft's theme design team look like freakin pre-schoolers. If I'm Microsoft I don't want somebody showing up my company either. i agree, whoever made luna should be shot. kol and bant should be hired by microsoft Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy1 Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 alot fo the new thing's that Vista was suposed to incorperate, isnt in itOh, really? Can you name all of these things? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.M.K Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Kol is a genius in my opinion and he should be employed my Microsoft :-) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
n30w1n Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I cheer and applaud Microsoft for having the balls to do this. Why the hell should he be allowed to rip off their artwork? He is copying Microsoft's work pixel per pixel. Maybe they feel like the Vsita GUI is a user experience that should only be available to those who purchased Vista. Maybe they don't want anyone to think he is asociated with them. Maybe their graphic artists are just plain prudes. But regardless of the reason, who the hell is anyone here to question this? It's their copyrighted material. And if I was Apple, I would sue Stardock so bad for ObjectDock that the company wouldn't have any pockets to burn holes in. This isn't some God damn open source, GNU GPL, SourceForge hosted piece of freely distributable code and graphics. This is a copyrighted, patented, closed source, commercial product. And if you're going to create software trying to mimic it, prepare to have to take it down the second they feel you're bad for business, at their discretion. To the original poster: good luck trying to stop using Microsoft products... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binary Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Just goes to show MS is now aware of the skinning community. To my knowledge none of the watercolor themes got a cease and desist email. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sn00pie Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 That's horrible. But it's not like the visual style was harming them, they should be happy that people are interested in there Vista GUI, they come down on someone like KoL, but they forget about all the other crack/warez websites for Windows. (N) Not good news to the customizing/visual styles community. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
golazo Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 i agree, whoever made luna should be shot. kol and bant should be hired by microsoft kol could be good at microsoft, the guys there already do a good job though. it's not like luna came out with a ton of bugs and stuff, it was just the idea and design of the vs that wasn't so good if you know what i mean. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Well, I'm officially at the point where I will not purchase anything else from Microsoft. It's a sad day when they come down on this community and great visual style creators like Kol. [snip] EX-Microsoft user and supporter. Have a great day. I hate to burst your bubble but I don't think Microsoft will be too worried about losing a small smattering of business from small operators who have the luxury of changing platforms at a whim. I think I'm correct in guessing that Microsoft makes most of it's money from corporate licensing - and corporates aren't going to miraculously change their entire MS infrastructure in a show of solidarity with Kol. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Apple had all Aqua-like themes removed from the internet a few years ago prior to OS X being released. Now they really don't care. I would expect MS to do nothing less than protect an unreleased product. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDogsBed Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I am actually stunned that they let it ride for as long as they did. I hope this sends a message out to all modders and skinners who's talent seems to start and end at simply emulating the work of others, that they now need to start really creating. I know that sounds harsh and won't win me friends but I've never been too concerned about that. If it means that we may now see some originality put back into design, that's a good thing. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceBrewedBeer Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Don't see the reason for the uproar. KoL himself said he really didn't care taking it down. If anything i'm sure he had a huge smile after receiving that email. I mean a big corperation like Microsoft actually took the time to send KoL an email about his theme, I say that's pretty cool. I'm not taken sides, but them's the brakes. Just a theme guys. KoL is a imaginative fellow, he'll come up with something better, he always has then. As for not buying MS. Hey, there is always OSX on the 86x platform next year. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d4t4b0mb Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I am actually stunned that they let it ride for as long as they did. I hope this sends a message out to all modders and skinners who's talent seems to start and end at simply emulating the work of others. I know that sounds harsh and won't win me friends but I've never been too concerned about that.If it means that we may now see some originality put back into design, that's a good thing. Agreed, it would be nice to see a theme that doesn't look like a half-a** version of OS X or Vista every twenty minutes. Most real "artists" don't spend their waking lives doing copies of the Mona Lisa. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 KoL wasn't prosecuted. Microsoft e-mailed him and ask him nicely (Kols words) to remove it. So KoL has removed it and won't be updating it and asked everyone to not distribute it anymore. Meanwhile, another person is taking a Vista theme he said KoL helped him on and updating it and plans on releasing it soon. Which I think is bullcrap. This person said Microsoft e-mailed them also to not distribute the 1.0 version. But he says "they didn't say anything about 1.1" It has work done by Kol and he'll call it his own. BULL He won't be releasing it here. so...if I host Kols VS on my site will Kol get in trouble or me? If its me and not him I'll gladly host it for people still. I suggest you heed Kol's request and not distribute the theme at all. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Allen Veteran Posted December 14, 2005 Veteran Share Posted December 14, 2005 Flyakite is in slightly the same predicament with his website (thankfully not his OSX transformation pack) for using 'copywrite material' and presuming to the public that he was affiliated with 'Apple' in some sort of way. Sucks though for both parties :( We all know they've got new ideas and designs up their sleeves ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doli Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 Agreed, it would be nice to see a theme that doesn't look like a half-a** version of OS X or Vista every twenty minutes. Most real "artists" don't spend their waking lives doing copies of the Mona Lisa. Bingo... You know it getting bad when a new skin starts off with "Yet Another [insert what they are trying to copy here] " Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586918996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDogsBed Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 You can't help but understand Micrsosoft's perspective here (as much as I otherwise detest them). It must take the shine off a product launch. Hell Vista isn't released yet and, in part thanks to Kol and others who jump on the bandwagon, I'm already sick to death of seeing it. I can't believe I'm the only one. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586919008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sachleen Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 They might have done this, but that doesnt mean the VS cant be obtained :D I never really liked MS's decisions about some things, and this would be one of them... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586919016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus- Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 They should not have allowed Stardock to add the functionality to WB5 its microsofts fault for letting stardock do it when stardock perposely did it to emulate the vista look. Not Kols fault and i will continue to distribute the theme regardless of his or microsofts wishes. BTW for all you that dont know stardock has an extremely close releationship with microsoft, so much in fact that stardock is helping microsoft design the gui for windows vista (they also partialy helped with xp but not as much as they are now. They aperantly got the "ok" to include the glass effects in eb5 from microsoft who should and would have stoped them by now if it was not ok. So microsoft needs to target the company which is enabling the skinner. not the skinner himself. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586919026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macmax Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 I just wonder what if WB5 had Kol's VistaXP included as an official theme (along with the 4-5 themes that came pre-installed )when WB5 came out. That would have been interesting Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586919047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggrophobik Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 as you type this from a Windows based machine? :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/408062-ms-comes-down-on-kol-and-his-vista-visual-style/page/2/#findComment-586919058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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