Maxthon vs Firefox

[Bawx]

Why in Gods name do you need all those tabs?

Doesn't anyone here like Maxthon's MouseGestures? It's all I use.

[Mastertech]

How is this evidence? Browser statistics were determined using set hardware. The results could (and likely would) be different with varying types of hardware. Besides, according to this, only Firefox 1.5 Beta 2 was tested. I'm not saying 1.5 Final or 1.5.0.1 would be blazingly fast by comparison to Beta 2, but what you presented as evidence is nothing but conjecture.

Why? That doesn't even make any sense. Does Firefox have some special code for certain hardware? Not that I am aware of, meaning the results would simply scale. What I presented anyone can test for themselves. The tests are documented. The performance is no different between 1.5 beta 2 and 1.5.0.1.

All of them. There is no feature listed here that either my firefox does not already do, or cannot easily do.

Except great compatibility with IE! Firefox isn't compatible with IE at all.

But yeah, choose what you like best and such... oh, and don't listen to Mastertech. He doesn't know what he's talking about. I've seen Firefox slower than IE on some machines, and faster than IE on other machines. The two are about the same as far as rendering speed on my machine.

No I know exactly what I am talking about and have the facts and documentation to back it up. Firefox is not faster than IE. If anyone claims it is ask them for the data and reproduceable tests. They never have any, where I have not only the data but tests you can do yourself.

[samriley]

wow i thought that master chimp was banned here, he is most other places for his blaintent and intentional erroneous "facts".

and teh test you do are not real world examples, which browser can render 10,000 nested tables is irrelavent since there should never be even a single nested table.

and not compatible with ie... well DUUUHHHHH its a different browser. its like saying windows isnt compatible with linux

[Mastertech]

What erroneous facts?

[phot0nic]

Except great compatibility with IE! Firefox isn't compatible with IE at all.

No I know exactly what I am talking about and have the facts and documentation to back it up. Firefox is not faster than IE. If anyone claims it is ask them for the data and reproduceable tests. They never have any, where I have not only the data but tests you can do yourself.

For the first tidbit, an extension called IETab exists, that allows Firefox to switch between an IE based browser and a gecko based browser. So, by clicking one little icon, I can have an IE shell just like Maxthon. I use this for Microsoft Update.

Secondly, bud, I've seen Firefox perform significantly faster than IE. To produce documented results and such takes time, which I don't have. I have no need to convert you to Firefox, and because I have a life outside of Neowin, I don't care enough to prove you wrong. But, as a fact for almost all computer software, software performs differently on different hardware. Like you've pointed out, I HAVE seen IE beat the pants off of Firefox. But, I've seen the opposite just as often. On my machine, they're about equal, with Opera and Konquerer being slightly faster. Believe me if you want, but your information is not fact for all machines. Give it up.

[samriley]

erroneous facts like ie is faster at rendering than firefox, it doesnt in certain cases yes it might to create anything remotly meaningful would take weeks and weeks of various tests on various hardware, for example your source is an 800mhz p3 with 256mb ram.... cos thats soooo typical of a computer now, so thats all completly meaningless. since i refuse to even vist your site since it probably generates money for someone that really does not deserve it thats all i can say.

you feel the need to miss quote people and register mulitple accounts just so you can have people that look like they are taking you seriously and not just taking the **** of your lack of knowledge and general common sense, seriously come on do the world a favor and stop posting such mindless dribble.

[Mastertech]

For the first tidbit, an extension called IETab exists, that allows Firefox to switch between an IE based browser and a gecko based browser. So, by clicking one little icon, I can have an IE shell just like Maxthon. I use this for Microsoft Update.

Right but it is not included by default.

Secondly, bud, I've seen Firefox perform significantly faster than IE. To produce documented results and such takes time, which I don't have. I have no need to convert you to Firefox, and because I have a life outside of Neowin, I don't care enough to prove you wrong. But, as a fact for almost all computer software, software performs differently on different hardware. Like you've pointed out, I HAVE seen IE beat the pants off of Firefox. But, I've seen the opposite just as often. On my machine, they're about equal, with Opera and Konquerer being slightly faster. Believe me if you want, but your information is not fact for all machines. Give it up.

You have "seen" it. So many people have "seen" it or make these claims yet there is no proof. I can say anything but without proof it is meaningless. Until you provide substantial proof of your claims with reproduceable tests it means nothing.

What is different about your hardware that would make Firefox run faster than IE on it? It doesn't make any sense.

To clarify when I say IE is faster than Firefox that is in Windows only and with no extensions such as adblock or fasterfox installed.

[bangbang023 Veteran]

By Mastertech's logic, I should complain that Maxthon is missing the Gecko engine as a feature.

[phot0nic]

Right but it is not included by default.

You have "seen" it. So many people have "seen" it or make these claims yet there is no proof. I can say anything but without proof it is meaningless. Until you provide substantial proof of your claims with reproduceable tests it means nothing.

What is different about your hardware that would make Firefox run faster than IE on it? It doesn't make any sense.

To clarify when I say IE is faster than Firefox that is in Windows only and with no extensions such as adblock or fasterfox installed.

Well, thefirst part is a matter of preference. I don't use Opera or Maxthon, becuase I don't use most of the "included" features. I'm nitpicky about my software, and I want it to do ONLY what I need it to do. I love the Firefox philosophy. I have a bare-bones basic browser, but I can make it the most full-featured browser out there... but the catch is that it only does what I want it to do. The fact that stuff like that isn't included is the very reason why I love Firefox so much... but, to each his own, I guess.

And about the second part. I've said my piece. I don't care if you're convinced. I've noticed differences, and many others have too. Any piece of software will behave differently on different systems. That's a fact. Say what you will, but I don't believe you. And your "proof" is not really proof, it's merely the performance on one person's machine.

The fact is, the only browser out there that is able to do what I want it to is Firefox. This is a closed case for me. You need to realize that being the resident "anti-fanboy" is just as bad as being a fanboy. You spread FUD to bash Firefox, just like many fanboys spread FUD to promote something.

PS: The Firefox I was referring to when compared to IE is on Windows. I also use Firefox/Opera/Konqueror on Ubuntu.

[Mastertech]

By Mastertech's logic, I should complain that Maxthon is missing the Gecko engine as a feature.

Not at all, Maxthon is already using the most web site compatible engine = Trident.

And about the second part. I've said my piece. I don't care if you're convinced. I've noticed differences, and many others have too. Any piece of software will behave differently on different systems. That's a fact. Say what you will, but I don't believe you. And your "proof" is not really proof, it's merely the performance on one person's machine.

Maybe if you are comparing a spyware infested IE installation to a clean install of Firefox. Actually I believe this is where this Myth probably originated and continues to. People install some malware, cannot remove it and than just switch to Firefox. Wow Firefox is faster! :laugh: But the hardware differences doesn't make any sense. I mean does IE decide to run slower because it is being run on an AMD64 processor?

The fact is, the only browser out there that is able to do what I want it to is Firefox. This is a closed case for me.

See I am not telling you what to use, I just don't like misinformation.

You need to realize that being the resident "anti-fanboy" is just as bad as being a fanboy. You spread FUD to bash Firefox, just like many fanboys spread FUD to promote something.

That is the thing I'm not spreading FUD but debunking myths. Everything is sourced.

[mufdvr3669]

What? Did you read my page and the Sources? I have all the evidence here.

Don't try to spin things when you know I have evidence for EVERYTHING I claim.

Again, you're going to turn this into a flamefest. I've already told you that you are wrong on the open vulnerabilites that you claim firefox has on your site. You fail to mention that an updated firefox only has 3 or 4 vulnerabilites instead of the 70 or 80 something you claim. Not saying you are totally wrong, you just only tell it from the anti-firefox troll side. Update your webpage with this, I dare you to.

What erroneous facts?

Read above. You are not telling facts if you are only telling half the story.

[Mastertech]

Again, you're going to turn this into a flamefest. I've already told you that you are wrong on the open vulnerabilites that you claim firefox has on your site. You fail to mention that an updated firefox only has 3 or 4 vulnerabilites instead of the 70 or 80 something you claim. Not saying you are totally wrong, you just only tell it from the anti-firefox troll side. Update your webpage with this, I dare you to.

Read above.

I am very clear about what I say.

"Since Firefox v1.x was released, users have been exposed to 72 security vulnerabilities and counting, 39 of which are rated as Highly Critical and 1 Extremely Critical"

Key words "Since Firefox v1.x was released".

There is nothing to update, those are the facts.

Read above. You are not telling facts if you are only telling half the story.

Why should this security information be hidden from people? That is the whole story, or should I include pre v1.x vulnerabilities?

[mufdvr3669]

There is nothing to update, those are the facts.

Half truths, Bill Clinton is this you???

Did you know that firefox is a lot faster than every other browser???

Did I forget to mention that I'm basing my comparisons on a state of the art PC with firefox and a 10 year old one with IE. See, I can bend the truth too.

It's fine if you want to keep that Firefox has those vulnerabilites, it's just be more truthful of you if you would tell both sides, not just the anti-firefox side.

I'm not going to argue continuously with you, you know you don't tell the whole side. You are just spreading your side's propaganda. You might as well call your site "firefox half truths".

Edited February 22, 2006 by mufdvr3669

[Mastertech]

Should I include pre v1.x vulnerabilities? What is a half truth? I am not claiming most are not patched in the latest version, only that they exist.

[apollomafia]

The fact is on a base windows install with either firefox or maxthon installed, maxthon is faster. Firefox can only compete with IE's speed once you have fasterfox installed. IE is more compatible with websites as well. That's not to say IE is more standards based, because that's not true, it's that more websites are designed with IE in mind. Firefox has come a long way, the new netscape sucks, as does Mozilla, so for firefox to be where it is is just shy of a miracle. What i'd love to see is Maxthon be able to use gecko as well as firefox(with extensions) and IE. I like the portability of firefox, but IE will always destroy it as my primary browser in windows, because of speed ease of use and support. While i know that sites that look wrong in Firefox don't support standards and should be banished to internet hell, that fact of the matter is i need to use them and me telling them their site doesn't look right in my browser and no i'm not using my OS default browser doesn't mean anything to them. The best move Firefox could do is support broken code like IE does. Screw standards, my grandparents don't care that the only reason a site look better in IE is because IE doesn't use standards, they just care that it works.

[mufdvr3669]

What is a half truth?

Only telling one side of the story.

Kinda like saying Hitler was a great leader because he was a great nation builder and cared for the Germans while forgetting to mention his other "acts".

[rajesh_seshu]

hi,

I hav used both firefox n maxthon,i found firefox is far more faster than anyother browser.

In addition to that,Firefox has a wide range of extensions which enhances its operation.

My suggestion to go with Firefox.

thanx,

RAJESH

[MasterC]

+There are also plenty of really nice and useful plugins available for Maxthon. There is even a plugin to check if all your plugins are up to date.

You need a plugin to check to see if your plugins are up-to-date? That, my friend, is why I use Firefox. It will tell me without needing a plugin!

[JiveMasterT]

I use maxthon because I'm not cool enough to use firefox. Firefox is only for those that are too leet for their shirt.

[Mastertech]

Did you know that firefox is a lot faster than every other browser???

It is? Where is your proof, your data and reproduceable tests? Here is my proof. Anyone can test these themselves. And again these are default installs, no extensions (adblock or fasterfox).

[mufdvr3669]

It is? Where is your proof, your data and reproduceable tests? Here is my proof. Anyone can test these themselves. And again these are default installs, no extensions (adblock or fasterfox).

Did you even read what I said below that comment. I WAS MAKING FUN OF YOU. I can go find IE benchmarks on a 10 year old computer and compare them to a state of the art computer with Firefox. I can say Firefox is faster than IE because of this, never mentioning the fact that they were tested on different computers. This is exactly what you do with a lot of your half truths such as not telling that there really isn't 70 vulnerabilities with an up to date Firefox. You slant the story to your side to make you seem right without telling the whole story. Jeez, there really is no hope for you. :no: I'm really done argueing with you, I could have a more intelligent conversation with my dog.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Now, Maxthon it's self is good (well written, fills a needed void), but the engine it uses is crap (as of IE6, IE7 fixes alot of needed stuff, but it isn't all there), now Maxthon + Gecko (or Presto, both are good) is a much better combination.

I am very clear about what I say.

"Since Firefox v1.x was released, users have been exposed to 72 security vulnerabilities and counting, 39 of which are rated as Highly Critical and 1 Extremely Critical"

Key words "Since Firefox v1.x was released".

There is nothing to update, those are the facts.

Why should this security information be hidden from people? That is the whole story, or should I include pre v1.x vulnerabilities?

OK, according to Secunia, Firefox 1.x has had 27 flaws found, 2 of which are unpatched (both are rated less critical).

According to them again, IE 6.x has had 92 flaws found, 22 are unpatched (most are rated less critical, but the one that allows remote system access raises the overall level for IE).

But, i would love to see your evidence (and not the stuff you have changed or misquoted, i have read about that, and it's pretty funny)

Edit: Ok, according to the mozilla.org page you source, there are 67 patched flaws.

Edited February 22, 2006 by The_Decryptor

[Mastertech]

I can go find IE benchmarks on a 10 year old computer and compare them to a state of the art computer with Firefox. I can say Firefox is faster than IE because of this, never mentioning the fact that they were tested on different computers.

But no one is doing this. All the tests were done on the same hardware. What you are saying did not happen anywhere and especially not on my page.

This is exactly what you do with a lot of your half truths such as not telling that there really isn't 70 vulnerabilities with an up to date Firefox. You slant the story to your side to make you seem right without telling the whole story.

Yes there are 72 vulnerabilities with Firefox. I never said they were all unpatched you keep implying that. There is no "half-truth" or slant with the source directly linked. This is very important information for anyone making a decision about a browser's security record.

OK, according to Secunia, Firefox 1.x has had 27 flaws found, 2 of which are unpatched (both are rated less critical).

Those are advisories NOT vulnerabilities. Some advisories can have multiple vulnerabilities.

According to them again, IE 6.x has had 92 flaws found, 22 are unpatched (most are rated less critical, but the one that allows remote system access raises the overall level for IE).

And how does this remove all the security vulnerabilities from Firefox?

Edit: Ok, according to the mozilla.org page you source, there are 67 patched flaws.

64 Known Vulnerabilities. Hardly the secure browser some make it out to be.

[AltecXP]

still more secure then IE...so who cares? get out of the house some.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

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Those are advisories NOT vulnerabilities. Some advisories can have multiple vulnerabilities.

And how does this remove all the security vulnerabilities from Firefox?

64 Known Vulnerabilities. Hardly the secure browser some make it out to be.

Have you ever read this page?

A Note about Bias

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