Maxthon vs Firefox

[Mastertech]

And Opera is more Secure than Firefox. Seems security is only important part of the time.

[AltecXP]

because less people are trying to hack opera...not to mention Opera crashes when it trys to log into my works intranet. lol

[Mastertech]

Have you ever read this page?

A Note about Bias

:whistle:

Yeah it has nothing to do with me or my page.

[AltecXP]

your whole page is anti firefox...it applies directly to you

[reveries]

I've not used Maxthon, but based on the other browsers I've used, I will definitely have to say, Firefox.

[Mastertech]

your whole page is anti firefox...it applies directly to you

It is a Firefox Myths page! It is not my fault all the Myths are overexaggerated positives. Debunking these Myths does not make it Biased. For some reason Firefox Supporters cannot understand this.

[AltecXP]

where is your Opera or IE myth page? or OSX myth page?

Debunking 'myths' of only piece of software without representing its counterparts in the same fashion DOES make you bias.

Even more so when the rest of your page is mostly on Microsoft.

[linx05]

To be honest, some of the most annoying people on the net are Firefox fanboys. They do post a lot of lies. Which is where they get a bad reputation. To me, a good browser doesn't have to be 100% secure (I know how to secure my own computer) and doesn't have to be 100% standards correct (hey, every site I've been to works perfectly).

A lot of these Firefox fanboys are well and truely smart enough to set up their computer in a way to protect them. So I don't understand why they go on and on about security (when even their browser isn't that secure, Opera is).

I've not used Maxthon, but based on the other browsers I've used, I will definitely have to say, Firefox.

If you haven't used Maxthon, don't post.

@AltecXP

Not too many are trying to hack Opera? Well think of how many people are using IE in the world. You would think there would be more security vulnerabilities than both of those browsers wouldn't you? It's understandable. And don't go on about how Microsoft takes a long time with patching them, because that is always your next step of attack. I always try and teach my family and friends how to protect your computer. Although making sure your system is update is good practise, careful web browsing and other tips can ensure the computer remains safe.

Now, to reply to what this thread is asking, what I think of the two browsers. Maxthon (which I use) is great. Many plugins, skins and options (after 3 years of using it I am still finding new features). I can't get over how good it is. The next version, 2.0 is a complete re-write of the program. So it should hopefully be much better!

Firefox in my opinion has the potentional to be great. The things which put me off in my list is how slow (loading etc) it is, poor memory usage and the way the plugin interface.

I have used Thunderbird and it is also slow in loading. Don't know what is up with that. Both (Thunderbird & Firefox) can be/are sluggish.

I have seen the memory usuage go up and about 150mb. Now this is alright and all if you have heaps of ram, but for those poor people who don't, it can be a major burden. Plus, I don't think you should have to upgrade your RAM just to browse the web.

For some of the plugins you have to wait for it to be updated with every new major upgrade of Firefox.

I think that is all I have to say?

[samriley]

it uses the ram if its availible which is good since unused ram is useless, if you turn off the page cacheing etc then itll use very little, also if you dont have much ram itll again use very little. if you have 1gb or more then itll use a fair amount... why cos otherwise its just sitting doing nothing its like buying a 400gb hdd to hold a 2mb file.

materchimp, so all hardware is the same!? a p3 operates the same as an amd x2 or a p4 but just at a faster speed. WOW thats news to me!!!

EDIT: oh and forgot to mention a lot of new sites are starting to provide enhancements to standards compliant browsers. no ie isnt the standard.

Edited February 22, 2006 by samriley

[phot0nic]

Maybe if you are comparing a spyware infested IE installation to a clean install of Firefox. Actually I believe this is where this Myth probably originated and continues to. People install some malware, cannot remove it and than just switch to Firefox. Wow Firefox is faster! :laugh: But the hardware differences doesn't make any sense. I mean does IE decide to run slower because it is being run on an AMD64 processor?

For the record, I was referring to computers that I've managed, not some computer noob, so no spyware.

Also, I do have Fasterfox installed, but not for the speed boost. In fact, I've already tweaking about:config in Firefox to do everything Fasterfox does (I've also tweaked IE to be faster too using some registry modifications), and more, but I installed Fasterfox because it times how long it takes a page to load. Also, I can use either the Gecko rendering engine, or the Trident rendering engine via the IETab extension.

Although, I know it's not an official test, for what it's worth, Neowin takes IE about 1.9 seconds here, and Firefox takes it about 1.4-1.5. Although IE and Firefox seem about equal as far as speed goes on my machine, various websites that I'm testing ALL have Firefox beating IE. Who knows? Maybe this is a flaw of the IETab extension? Or maybe you're just wrong :o ! God forbid!

Also, I love how Mastertech's trying to explain that he's not biased. I find that really funny.

[Mastertech]

where is your Opera or IE myth page? or OSX myth page?

Debunking 'myths' of only piece of software without representing its counterparts in the same fashion DOES make you bias.

Even more so when the rest of your page is mostly on Microsoft.

So now you can't debunk Myths about Firefox unless you have an IE Myths page? :laugh: I love all these new "rules" that the fanboys come up with. Think about this for a minute, what Opera Myths have you heard of?

materchimp, so all hardware is the same!? a p3 operates the same as an amd x2 or a p4 but just at a faster speed. WOW thats news to me!!!

Did you read what I wrote? How does the new hardware run Firefox faster than IE? Is Firefox programmed to take advantage of Pentium 4 Prescott features like SSE3? If it is let me know. Otherwise results will simply scale.

Also, I do have Fasterfox installed, but not for the speed boost. In fact, I've already tweaking about:config in Firefox to do everything Fasterfox does (I've also tweaked IE to be faster too using some registry modifications), and more, but I installed Fasterfox because it times how long it takes a page to load. Also, I can use either the Gecko rendering engine, or the Trident rendering engine via the IETab extension.

Although, I know it's not an official test, for what it's worth, Neowin takes IE about 1.9 seconds here, and Firefox takes it about 1.4-1.5. Although IE and Firefox seem about equal as far as speed goes on my machine, various websites that I'm testing ALL have Firefox beating IE. Who knows? Maybe this is a flaw of the IETab extension? Or maybe you're just wrong :o ! God forbid!

Also, I love how Mastertech's trying to explain that he's not biased. I find that really funny.

:laugh: You can't use Fasterfox to time a page load! Because it precaches the page! I already explained how network based tests are inaccurate and you have to test using no extensions with local, fully documented and reproduceable tests.

[TheTerminator]

I use Maxthon and I have for about a year now. I reccomend it to everyone I know because it has the compatibilty of IE and has a lot of good features of FireFox plus more.

Maxthon for life.

[markwolfe Veteran]

Bah. Mastertech is interested only in items that reinforce his opinion. Nothing that is presented to him will change his mind or methods.

He has been known to sign up to sites under multiple accounts to "reinforce" his opinions posted under a primary account. He has quite a history, it seems. Google for "mastertech dotzler" and see a bit of his actions on other sites.

Discussion serves no purpose, as to his his narrow view, his points are valid. He is playing Don Quixote, and is "tilting at windmills" and fighting giants* that aren't really there. His efforts have garnered him more posts in this thread than the next four most prolific posters.

* The "giants" I refer to are those that claim Firefox is abolutely bug-free, and 100% secure from all threats. Certainly claims that no reasonable person makes. Try to find those claims here on Neowin. I could not. Yet, he persists on refuting these non-existant claims and promoting his site - presumably to gain revenue from his ads. :rolleyes:

[Mastertech]

Bah. Mastertech is interested only in items that reinforce his opinion. Nothing that is presented to him will change his mind or methods.

I'm only interested in items that debunk the Myths not provide excuses for them.

He has been known to sign up to sites under multiple accounts to "reinforce" his opinions posted under a primary account. He has quite a history, it seems. Google for "mastertech dotzler" and see a bit of his actions on other sites.

I've never signed up under multiple accounts anywhere and proudly post as Mastertech anywhere I have ever posted.

* The "giants" I refer to are those that claim Firefox is abolutely bug-free, and 100% secure from all threats. Certainly claims that no reasonable person makes. Try to find those claims here on Neowin. I could not. Yet, he persists on refuting these non-existant claims and promoting his site - presumably to gain revenue from his ads. :rolleyes:

Reasonable people don't spread Myths. I already made this quite clear. I even provide examples that these exist on the Internet. I never claimed they were said here on Neowin. They are rarely made on technical sites for obvious reasons. I am really getting sick of the self-promotion claims. You can't dispute the facts so you make personal attacks? Interesting.

[bangbang023 Veteran]

Mastertech, you do nothing but look at only the facts that back up your opinion and then skew them to your liking. Your reputation precedes anything and everything you say.

[mufdvr3669]

Think about this for a minute, what Opera Myths have you heard of?

Well if it's anything hard hitting like this myth you seem to think people actually believe; Myth - "Firefox is Bug Free" - Example. Couldn't you of found a better source than lano on petlovers.com? Just because they say it, doesn't actually believe anyone believes lano.

I really hope you are actually making a lot of money with your ad's seeing how much crap you like to stir up. Why don't you just resort to email spamming, hey you could even be more annoying than you already are.

[Mastertech]

Mastertech, you do nothing but look at only the facts that back up your opinion and then skew them to your liking. Your reputation precedes anything and everything you say.

No I use Facts to debunk Myths. Nothing is skewed or used to back up my opinion. Anyone who can read the sources, knows full well what I am talking about.

Well if it's anything hard hitting like this myth you seem to think people actually believe; Myth - "Firefox is Bug Free" - Example. Couldn't you of found a better source than lano on petlovers.com? Just because they say it, doesn't actually believe anyone believes lano.

This is one of the best examples. It proves that the people who create and believe the Myths are not technically knowledgeable. Again something very simple that the fanboys cannot grasp.

I really hope you are actually making a lot of money with your ad's seeing how much crap you like to stir up. Why don't you just resort to email spamming, hey you could even be more annoying than you already are.

Forget about this not being true, why is all you have personal attacks?

[bangbang023 Veteran]

You mean how you conveniently claim how insecure Fx is then conveniently forget to mention the number of advisories against IE instead? Uh huh. Almost no one here takes what you say as fact or believable. You're a fanboy in your own regard and completely biased.

[Mastertech]

You mean how you conveniently claim how insecure Fx is then conveniently forget to mention the number of advisories against IE instead? Uh huh. Almost no one here takes what you say as fact or believable. You're a fanboy in your own regard and completely biased.

It is not a comparison page. What does the number of IE vulnerabilities have to do with Firefox? Nothing. Why add excuses for Firefox having 72 vulnerabilities? That is the only reason for it to be there, it does nothing to debunk the Myth that "Firefox is Secure". Quite the contrary many people have approached this with an open mind and have read the sources themselves. And again I am an Anti-Fanboy. So biased towards what? Opera? Avant Browser? Maxthon or IE? I mean it doesn't make any sense.

[bangbang023 Veteran]

How many open, unpatched vulnerabilities does firefox have? Huh?

[markwolfe Veteran]

How many open, unpatched vulnerabilities does firefox have? Huh?

Oh, you just know that this is going to go nowhere. :rofl:

It isn't about Firefox at all.

It is about proving imaginary zealots wrong, and if it paints an inaccurate picture... well... that is just the way he likes it.

[Mastertech]

How many open, unpatched vulnerabilities does firefox have? Huh?

You can see that for yourself, Secunia current shows 4 unpatched vulnerabilities with the latest version of Firefox v1.5.0.1. However not everyone is using the latest version, not even close. The far majority of Firefox users are using outdated versions making them vulnerable to even more vulnerabilities.

As for imaginary Zealots, you might want to visit www.spreadfirefox.com

[bangbang023 Veteran]

so it has 4 flaws then, like I said a while ago. You always leave that fact out, though. It's not Mozilla's fault that people don't update. Did you know that Windows XP has more vulnerabilities than Windows XP SP2?

[Denis W. Veteran]

It's quite clear Mastertech will defend his pitiful arguments even if someone forced him at gunpoint to shut the hell up. Instead of wasting time repeating the same arguments over and over, I wanted to point out something:

For the first tidbit, an extension called IETab exists, that allows Firefox to switch between an IE based browser and a gecko based browser. So, by clicking one little icon, I can have an IE shell just like Maxthon. I use this for Microsoft Update.

Right but it is not included by default.

OK, so you argue that in order to get Firefox to use the Trident engine, you'd have to install an optional extension, IEtab. Alright, so it's not included by default.

Then why is that in your post in the "Best Browser: New Comparison" thread:

The MSN toolbar is separate and even the Internet Explorer development team thinks it sucked. It is not fair to say the MSN toolbar is a part of Internet Explorer. You were right about the popup blocker though.

The MSN toolbar is an IE extension. It is no different than any of the Firefox extensions. By this logic it is not fair to say ANY of the Firefox extensions are part of Firefox. How good it is, is debateable but irrelevant to the Myth that IE does not support Tabs, it clearly does with the MSN Toolbar extension.

you argue that it's a myth (God I need to look for an automatic word filter that censors this word when it comes from Mastertech FFS!) IE6 supports tabs - even though this is clearly just like this IETab extension; it's an optional extension/addon?

Do us a favour and take The_Decryptor's advice:

Have you ever read this page?

A Note about Bias

:whistle:

and write an essay about the importance of eliminating bias. Be sure to cite non-biased sources in the bibliography.

[Mastertech]

so it has 4 flaws then, like I said a while ago. You always leave that fact out, though. It's not Mozilla's fault that people don't update. Did you know that Windows XP has more vulnerabilities than Windows XP SP2?

Those are not flaws those are unpatched security vulnerabilities in v1.5.0.1 ONLY. Firefox has many

Flaws. Do you see the way you just said that? I don't leave any fact out since I link directly to the source. Your point about XP is the same as with software such as Firefox. You must be using the latest version. Very few people always use the latest version of software.