Mastertech Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 OK, so you argue that in order to get Firefox to use the Trident engine, you'd have to install an optional extension, IEtab. Alright, so it's not included by default.It is not that simple. IEtab is just embedding Internet Explorer in Firefox with all sorts of known issues. It doesn't support it, there is a big difference. That is like Linux emulating Windows and saying Linux supports Windows, it doesn't. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587231797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chavo Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I don't use firefox or IE, I use konqueror but that's another story. I think Mastertech is right and has every right to debunk myths about firefox, without doing the same for other browsers. Firefox is put on a golden pedestal, especially by the FF fannies at this site. It's a great browser and I would probably use it if konq wasn't so damn good. But it's just a browser, another choice and choice is good. bangbang, you are doing nothing but proving mastertech's point about Firefox fanboys. You are totally missing his point and not seeing the facts. You kneel down to the altar of FF and that's just sad. Like I said it's a great browser and I fully support the movement, but man it's not a religion. Again, my unbiased opinion. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587231828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
curme Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Both are good, but I use Firefox because Maxthon is too close to IE i.e. Microsoft. I like supporting the underdog, the little guy, not the staus quo. Heck, if it wasn't for Firefox, IE would be even worse than it is now! I support competition! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587231875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 Those are not flaws those are unpatched security vulnerabilities in v1.5.0.1 ONLY. Firefox has many Flaws. Do you see the way you just said that? I don't leave any fact out since I link directly to the source. Your point about XP is the same as with software such as Firefox. You must be using the latest version. Very few people always use the latest version of software. I meant vulnerabilities, calm down. And again, it's not Mozilla's fault. Their product has 4 open vulnerabilties in it. It is not their fault that people do not update. The same goes with any product. Opera has had patches vulnerabilities and so has IE. Your logic makes no sense. You can't judge the current state of a piece of software by looking at it's past. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587231889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 ... I've never signed up under multiple accounts anywhere and proudly post as Mastertech anywhere I have ever posted. ... Yes you have. Those are not flaws those are unpatched security vulnerabilities in v1.5.0.1 ONLY. Firefox has many Flaws. Just a note, the page you linked to also lists closed bugs, this page lists all open (duplicated) bugs. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587231904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 Yes you have. Just a note, the page you linked to also lists closed bugs, this page lists all open (duplicated) bugs. That page also lists thunderbird bugs and such. It's more skewed "facts" Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587231931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 That page also lists thunderbird bugs and such. It's more skewed "facts" Good point, i didn't even check to see what products he had selected, i only chose the "Open bugs only" option down the bottom. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587231999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I meant vulnerabilities, calm down. And again, it's not Mozilla's fault. Their product has 4 open vulnerabilties in it. It is not their fault that people do not update. The same goes with any product. Opera has had patches vulnerabilities and so has IE. Your logic makes no sense. You can't judge the current state of a piece of software by looking at it's past.Actually it is there fault for making it difficult for people to update by having to download the whole program each time. An update feature that was only added in v1.5. Did Firefox always notify the user when an update was available? So how would they know? Are they supposed to check Firefox.com everyday?Yes Opera and IE have had patched vulnerabilities. But it is important to look at the vulnerabilities to get the security record of a product. Everyone claims Firefox is so secure but never tells anyone it had 72 security vulnerabilities. Don't you find that misleading? Why would these same "security" minded individuals not be using a more secure browser such as Opera which has far less vulnerabilities patched and unpatched? That I find ironic. The point is I am not judging the current state of software, you are. I am judging the security history of Firefox, which clearly proves it is not "Secure". Even if you only take into account the very latest version it is still not "Secure". But the Security History mind you of only one year is very telling with Firefox. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 I don't use firefox or IE, I use konqueror but that's another story. I think Mastertech is right and has every right to debunk myths about firefox, without doing the same for other browsers. Firefox is put on a golden pedestal, especially by the FF fannies at this site. It's a great browser and I would probably use it if konq wasn't so damn good. But it's just a browser, another choice and choice is good. Again, my unbiased opinion. Well, if one 'debunks myths' on Firefox, it's expected people will point out any flaws, inconsistencies, and/or any form of bias in that article. Such as the one Mastertech has on his site. bangbang, you are doing nothing but proving mastertech's point about Firefox fanboys. You are totally missing his point and not seeing the facts. You kneel down to the altar of FF and that's just sad. Like I said it's a great browser and I fully support the movement, but man it's not a religion. No, I think mostly everyone in this thread minus Mastertech is trying to clear up some of the distorted facts he presents - and even then he'll refuse to listen to anything that doesn't sway in his direction. It's one thing to clear up some lies about a product, but it's another thing to base it on flawed arguments and go about spamming your article through various forums on the 'net. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 That page also lists thunderbird bugs and such. It's more skewed "facts" That was an easy fix, the link was broken. As for dupes. You can clearly see that they are merely recording how many times a bug is reported and counting that under the duplicate column.Well, if one 'debunks myths' on Firefox, it's expected people will point out any flaws, inconsistencies, and/or any form of bias in that article. Such as the one Mastertech has on his site.Except none exist.No, I think mostly everyone in this thread minus Mastertech is trying to clear up some of the distorted facts he presents - and even then he'll refuse to listen to anything that doesn't sway in his direction.Nothing is distorted, it is all sourced.It's one thing to clear up some lies about a product, but it's another thing to base it on flawed arguments and go about spamming your article through various forums on the 'net.What argument is flawed? I haven't spammed anything. I've posted things but I definitely never spammed anything. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 bangbang, you are doing nothing but proving mastertech's point about Firefox fanboys. You are totally missing his point and not seeing the facts. You kneel down to the altar of FF and that's just sad. Like I said it's a great browser and I fully support the movement, but man it's not a religion. You obviously don't know my posting history since I've been one of the roughest critics of Firefox from the beginning. I've even gone as far as calling out Asa on some of his bull****. I'm simply counter balancing the fanboyism of another by proving that his facts are always skewed to some degree and twisted to help some vendetta against what is simply another good piece of software. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mufdvr3669 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 This is one of the best examples. It proves that the people who create and believe the Myths are not technically knowledgeable. Again something very simple that the fanboys cannot grasp. No, it's not a good example. What one random unknowledgable person says about a browser does not make them a good myth to debunk. If someone said firefox would cook you breakfast every morning you would probably debunk that "myth". :whistle: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I'm simply counter balancing the fanboyism of another by proving that his facts are always skewed to some degree and twisted to help some vendetta against what is simply another good piece of software. Again I am an Anti-Fanboy. None of my facts are skewed or twisted and I don't have a vendetta against anything. I'm just tired of the Myths about Firefox. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 Again I am an Anti-Fanboy. None of my facts are skewed or twisted and I don't have a vendetta against anything. I'm just tired of the Myths about Firefox. You're the one greatly exaggerating the intensity of the myths. Is it bug free? No. Is it safer than IE, currently? Yes. Does it drive web standards more than IE? Yes, it does. It's a perfectly viable alternative browser. Firefox aims at people like me, who want the bare minimum and simply want the features they feel are most needed. Opera aims at the people who want an all in one solution. In the end, screw the numbers. It comes down to what browser is best for who. Firefox is better for me, my mom, and a few friends I know. My sisters prefer MSN Explorer 6. My dad prefers IE. Just because you prefer Opera, and that's really all it is, there's no need to mask your trolling as some honorable quest. It's not. You simply troll every chance you get and thrive off of the attention you get from it. It's lame and annoying to most everyone. It's a damn browser. Find something more important to obsess about. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mufdvr3669 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 (edited) I think Mastertech is right and has every right to debunk myths about firefox, without doing the same for other browsers. It's not about him debunking myths to me, yes some people spout crap that firefox isn't capable of. Can it get spyware. Yes. Does it have security holes. Yes. Does it do a crappy job on some pages and crash for no reason. Yes. It is perfect. Definitely not. But he doesn't provide a balanced argument. He gets onto firefox zealots and bashes them, while he's doing exactly the same thing on the opposite side. He provides views only for his side. He is exactly like the people he is against. http://robert.accettura.com/archives/2005/.../firefox-myths/ Here's a good read debunking your so called myths. http://nanobox.chipx86.com/FirefoxFables/ Here's a good site similar to Mastertech (or whatever other alias he is currently using). Edited February 23, 2006 by mufdvr3669 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoDaddy Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Wow. So here are some Opera myths debunked for anyone who wants them. I use Maxthon. I use it because I used to use Opera, and then decided it was a bit too clunky. I like the fact that Maxthon uses IE, but makes it so much better. It also has to do a lot with personal taste. When it was updated it took me a bit to get used to it, but I still like it. I don't expect to ever convert anyone from Firefox, but if you haven't become a hardcore FireFox user, then check out Maxthon. I think that everyone who is all upset over browsers really needs to go check out this site, or this site. Everyone will have an opinion, and I bet that a lot of the people who are raging over browsers will look at politics and say "Those people are so crazy for arguing over the same thing all the time." It's all about your passion. But let your passion be a positive thing, not the negativity that's going on here. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 No, it's not a good example. What one random unknowledgable person says about a browser does not make them a good myth to debunk. If someone said firefox would cook you breakfast every morning you would probably debunk that "myth". :whistle: It is an Example that people say these things, it is not the only source or even an original source of the "Myth". Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 It's not about him debunking myths to me, yes some people spout crap that firefox isn't capable of. Can it get spyware. Yes. Does it have security holes. Yes. Does it do a crappy job on some pages and crash for no reason. Yes. It is perfect. Definitely not. But he doesn't provide a balanced argument. He gets onto firefox zealots and bashes them, while he's doing exactly the same thing on the opposite side. He provides views only for his side. He is exactly like the people he is against. http://robert.accettura.com/archives/2005/.../firefox-myths/ Here's a good read debunking your so called myths. http://nanobox.chipx86.com/FirefoxFables/ Here's a good site similar to Mastertech (or whatever other alias he is currently using). The first link, apparently some of the comments on that post are Mastertech under different names (IP check confirms it apparently) and the second link is great. :yes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 You're the one greatly exaggerating the intensity of the myths.I haven't exaggerated anything. "Intensity" of Myths, that is new. Come on.Just because you prefer Opera, and that's really all it is, there's no need to mask your trolling as some honorable quest. It's not. You simply troll every chance you get and thrive off of the attention you get from it. It's lame and annoying to most everyone. It's a damn browser. Find something more important to obsess about.Actually I prefer Avant Browser but yes I also use Opera and IE and Firefox. Your trolling nonsense is just that, nonsense. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 I haven't exaggerated anything. "Intensity" of Myths, that is new. Come on. Actually I prefer Avant Browser but yes I also use Opera and IE and Firefox. Your trolling nonsense is just that, nonsense. Me trolling? Lol. There's a whole page dedicated to breaking down your gross exaggerations. I'm the troll? haha. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 But he doesn't provide a balanced argument. He gets onto firefox zealots and bashes them, while he's doing exactly the same thing on the opposite side. He provides views only for his side. He is exactly like the people he is against.There is no "balanced argument" to provide. This isn't an argument, it is a page that debunks Firefox Myths. It really isn't complicated. I just keep seeing fanboys upset because they really want all the excuses and IE bashing added in. http://robert.accettura.com/archives/2005/.../firefox-myths/ Here's a good read debunking your so called myths. http://nanobox.chipx86.com/FirefoxFables/ Here's a good site similar to Mastertech (or whatever other alias he is currently using). Man those are so two months ago. The second one was made after I caught him redirecting visitors from my site to special pages when viewing his data and I included a warning about this. He got mad because I would not remove the warning nor relink directly to his site. The Alias BS is all fabricated. The moderators here or at any other forum can clearly see I always post under the same name. I have nothing to hide. Either way all these sites have been thoroughly refuted with the facts. Where do you want to start? Me trolling? Lol. There's a whole page dedicated to breaking down your gross exaggerations. I'm the troll? haha. It works both ways. I'm critical of Firefox therefore I am the troll? There are a few pages that are completely unsuccessful at disputing a single fact on my page. All by Firefox Fanboys I might add. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jus1haz2 Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I like firefox im not a fanboy though. Ie7 is good operha is good and maxathon is good. None of them are perfect but there all good. its just what you like. I preger firefox though. not sure why, i guess its the UI Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 Myth - "Firefox has lower System Requirements than Internet Explorer" - Example First of all, your "example" never says anything about it having lower equirements. Second, IE lists "install size" which is different from minimum requirements. Firefox's requirements list includes form history, bookmarks, a small cache, and the like. Myth - "Firefox Achieved 10% Market Share in 2005" - ExampleReality - "According to WebSideStory, a San Diego-based Web analytics provider, Mozilla's Firefox closed 2005 with 8.9% of the browser market, while Microsoft's Internet Explorer wrapped up the year with 87.6%." - Source - Source 2 http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applicati...39235378,00.htm The numbers are going to vary no matter who you talk to. Using one source as fact is assinine. I'm too tired to go on. Not to mention I closed my browser accidentally the first time around. What'd you say about your "facts"? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted February 23, 2006 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2006 http://nanobox.chipx86.com/FirefoxFables/ Here's a good site similar to Mastertech (or whatever other alias he is currently using). :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That was a good one. (Y) The Alias BS is all fabricated. The moderators here or at any other forum can clearly see I always post under the same name. I have nothing to hide. Either way all these sites have been thoroughly refuted with the facts. Where do you want to start? Fabricated? I'm not too surprised at your persistent refusal of the truth. May you please point out a few real and EXISTING friends of yours that ENDORSE your FF myths article, besides those with the aliases people claim to be sock puppets of yours? It works both ways. I'm critical of Firefox therefore I am the troll? There are a few pages that are completely unsuccessful at disputing a single fact on my page. All by Firefox Fanboys I might add. Wake up. Just because you love a browser (i.e. Firefox) doesn't mean one can't be critical of his favourite browser. Mostly everyone in this thread, from what I can tell, aren't blind Firefox fanboys at all - I prefer to use Opera, the browser which you advertise second to Maxthon/IE, and yet I know what's great about this browser and what's wrong with it. So say for instance you were backing up Firefox, attacking Opera instead, and I came in and countered some of your facts. Am I a fanboy for doing so? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastertech Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 First of all, your "example" never says anything about it having lower equirements. Second, IE lists "install size" which is different from minimum requirements. Firefox's requirements list includes form history, bookmarks, a small cache, and the like.The example says this:"If you haven?t discovered Firefox yet, I can strongly recommend it to you. It?s smaller (uses less memory) than IE" The source page is clearly titlInternet Explorer 6 SP1 System Requirements http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/applicati...39235378,00.htm The numbers are going to vary no matter who you talk to. Using one source as fact is assinine. I use 3 sources as facts there. The first source has two listed. You were saying? I've been through everyone of these arguments before. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/429493-maxthon-vs-firefox/page/5/#findComment-587232530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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