firefox opinion

By Scott Gall
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I just want to see what everyones opinion is of Firefox

Do you think its the best browser option?

Is it faster than I.E 7?

Why would someone choose Firefox over another browser?

I think it's the best one, I find it faster than IE, and I like how it blocks pop-ups and doesn't let my system become infected with spyware, as IE does (in my experience at least)

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fanboynz

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I just want to see what everyones opinion is of Firefox

Do you think its the best browser option?

Is it faster than I.E 7?

Why would someone choose Firefox over another browser?

IE 7 Is atleast another 6+ months away from being properly released, If you want improved web standards and a generally quicker browser, and your'e concerned about security then Firefox is what you're after. For more information take a look at http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/

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haveblue128

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IE7 is faster than Firefox and has the same features, tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking and integrated search but it is still in BETA.

Let's guess-you work for Microsoft or one of it's pals. IE7 is so painfully slow that is it a joke in present form. It is no joke that IE is taking on the look of Firefox, however. Tens of millions of others agree with me. :no:

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Mastertech

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Let's guess-you work for Microsoft or one of it's pals. IE7 is so painfully slow that is it a joke in present form. It is no joke that IE is taking on the look of Firefox, however. Tens of millions of others agree with me. :no:

You have absolutely no proof to back up your claims. Anyone else can not only see the proof here, they can test it themselves. Speed Test. Firefox is not faster than anything.

FYI, IE7 Beta 2 is simply unbelievable compared to IE6. Download it and give it a try, you will not be sorry you did. :)

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Corris Veteran

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fist thing is i wouldnt believe a thing ^this guy says

no offence, but alot of the posts i see from you, i just dont agree with, and it seems quite a few dont

he seems to be a bit fo an a%$ too :D

just my opinion

secondly, if i were you, i would try all the browsers, try firefox, if u dont like it and it doesnt suit you, try opera or a differnt one, it al dpends hwat u look for, you can make the browsers faster if u need to, u ahve extensions for firefox, or u ahve the stuff thats already in ie7, i dont use opera so i dont know what u can do with it

i for one use firefox becuase i like it, i like adding the random extensions you can get, and just the general customization i can do with it, i also use ie, and i havent really used opera, so i dont know about it

just play with them and see what you like

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mufdvr3669

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Firefox is the best browser for me right now. Use them all and find what works best for you, not going to be the same for everybody, they are all free. Firefox is also fast enough for me, who cares if opera or IE7 is 10% faster or however much faster, I don't benchmark my web browsing, I could care less. Again, use whatever browser you like, quit trying to compare all of them against each other and then claim your favorite is the best because of such and such reason. It's not a religion like Mastertech would lead you to believe.

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PKHelloNasty

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You have absolutely no proof to back up your claims. Anyone else can not only see the proof here, they can test it themselves. Speed Test. Firefox is not faster than anything.

Hehe, just curious what you mean when you say "Firefox is not faster than anything". Perhaps some proof reading would help. ;)

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Firefox is faster than IE but their download manager is absolutely terrible. Often I will switch to IE for purposes of downloading and use Firefox and, better yet, Dr. Orca, for general web surfing.

Their 'view source' is bad too, but I think there's a way to use notepad or other editor for viewing sources.

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Mastertech

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Firefox is faster than IE

Do you have a source with reproduceable data to back up this claim? I do and Firefox is clearly not faster than IE. Speed Tests. Keep in mind these are default installs on Windows only with no extensions like adblock or fasterfox and no speed tweaks to IE.
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hardwaremonk

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Faster can be defined many ways, but the most important for me has always been that alternative browsers DO keep moving, and don't periodically just stop and leave you cooling your heels, while it sees to its own, or someone else's (big brother's ?) agenda. This behaviour is usually more prevalent during times of global political instability, so draw your own conclusions.

Whatever the reason, it only gets back to you when it feels like it, without explanation. This is behaviour seen on uninfected machines, going back as far as Win95a.

The bad part with IE is that it usually stops all other windows processes as well, not even allowing you to close it until it is done doing what it feels like doing.

I've seen this at work, at two different companies where I've been IT, as well as at home, and on friends machines.

Even bought Opera as early as v3.2-something, and kept up until 6.x, to get away from that IE issue.

I just use IE when I have to, and move on.

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Tarzan

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Adblock can easily lower any benchmarks it have influence on Mastertech. Yet it can increase real life browsing speed. So slower is faster... These tests are useless. One thing is they show exactly what on this day not last year, another is where are they reproducable? I would guess on the computer of your source. How come IE takes 60 seconds to wade through the script test and FF only use 21? Does it mean FF have less system requirements? I just did same test and FF is faster 5.69 vs. IE6 with 6.81 - on not clean profile, with Adblock and perhaps sidebars, statusbar full of buttons etc. FF would be slower - in the benchmark... May be same goes for IE6, with the belowed MSN tab browsing feature for example. So how well they cope with extensions means more than synthetic tests on whatever computer. Have nothing to do with real life. Definitely stupid to compare blindly.

Oh I just got best time for Opera. 3.66 nice, I got your name wrong though ;) http://www.24fun.com/downloadcenter/benchjs/benchjs.html scroll down to "TopFive Windows/NT, Opera" I used Opera 9.

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[LOF]skinnylegs

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I always love these "which browser is faster" threads. Ask 10 different sets of people and you'll probably get 10 different sets of results. Some people swear by IE and others swear by FF.

If a browser opens a webpage 3/10's of a second faster are you really 'gonna notice a difference? The answer is probably no so pick the browser you like and forget speed tests.

I'm using FF right now primarily because of tabbed browsing but I must admit that the themes are 'kinda cool as well. When the bugs are worked out of the latest iteration of IE, that may very well change but who knows.

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Tarzan

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Just a little wind of 3Dmark in browser world. Where numbers must be max. or min. Like that init.delay setting. in Firefox/Fasterfox - part of the fast profile I think. Can increase total load time and make rendering looks like crap. Actually it is one of the few settings you can see real effect of but dont be so sure 0 is best setting. May be manipulators like Adblock make FF needs some air before throwing out objects. May be also depends on cpu power. Default is 250ms or 1/4 of a second, I use 500ms.

These test can be useful for testing purposes. Like if a new sidebar increases test time 20 seconds something is probably wrong. For the non-coder it might be helpful in chosing/comparing extension and/or reporting bugs. To claim "reproducable facts" from whatever source is stupid. Unless numbers are very crazy I doubt anyone can relate them to real life facts.

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Mastertech

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Adblock can easily lower any benchmarks it have influence on Mastertech. Yet it can increase real life browsing speed.

And you can easily install ad removing software for IE. Comparing modified versions of one browser with a default install of another is biased and inaccurate. The only accurate tests are like the ones provided which compare default installs.
So slower is faster... These tests are useless. One thing is they show exactly what on this day not last year, another is where are they reproducable? I would guess on the computer of your source.
Far from useless. They are all reproduceable. Read the site, they are documented and locally based tests which remove any erroneous errors generated by fluctating bandwidth. They are reproduceable on any hardware.

How come IE takes 60 seconds to wade through the script test and FF only use 21? Does it mean FF have less system requirements?

Because FF is faster than IE in script speed but that is it. It has nothing to do with requirements.

I just did same test and FF is faster 5.69 vs. IE6 with 6.81 - on not clean profile, with Adblock and perhaps sidebars, statusbar full of buttons etc. FF would be slower - in the benchmark... May be same goes for IE6, with the belowed MSN tab browsing feature for example. So how well they cope with extensions means more than synthetic tests on whatever computer. Have nothing to do with real life. Definitely stupid to compare blindly.

Your tests are completely irrelevant since you did not use default installs. For all I know you also have a malware infected IE install as well. I've run each of these tests on various hardware and they always come out the same IE better in each of the same categories except script speed.
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Tarzan

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I think I said I used a blank profile for Firefox and IE6 is empty as it is almost never used. Why should I have a malware infected IE? What you dont think about is what computer these test are made on - and how much that influence result. I do not see FF being 3 times faster than IE, how come? Im not alone, look at results.

Small variations in hardware or software can cause big differences in results so it is important that all tests are done on the same computer your source says but still you praise his findings as reproducable facts on any hardware. So false claims made once again. A standard computer today is probably not "800MHz Intel Pentium 3, 256 MB RAM" for XP setup.

This particular test he did not do locally btw. And as said at least result for FF changes drastically once you start to install extensions, yet you dont see that during browsing (Adblock is good example) - because you dont browse benchmarks! Since you cant tell a real difference in speed you find a link with a bunch of synthetic numbers and declare them facts. Same as when Nvidia and ATI cheats with benchmarks. No relation to normal users.

Seems your knowledge of Firefox is based on numbers and myths not experience. So again, FF will most likely if not guranteed get worse result with big extensions like Adblock installed. If I did test with that I would be biased towards IE. A new profile means default setup of toolbars, menus and no extensions.

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J Z

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I originally switched to firefox because of the tabs, IE 7 has tabs but i have become a customed to how firefox looks and works, thats why i will most likly stick to it. Not to mention how many times i get little bugs in IE and my homepage always ends up getting changed to some random site which then i have to go on a mission to fix it. IE 7 I'm sure is good but like i said once i get use to something thats what i will continue to use unless IE would come out with something that is better just not the same as firefox

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Tarzan

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Probably more Firefox trying to catch up. Have big plans for version 2.0 http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox2/Features Also necessary or I think Opera will start to move, if not IE. Some love this extension building, perfect browser for those who make the effort. But Firefox probably do not aim at status quo regarding market share. 1.5 Default lacks some basic features you can expect from 2006 browser, see plan for 2.0 or install something like Tab Mix ;) Tricky not to bloat it up with crap - must still appear simple in menus and GUI. I think Mozilla have allways said any feature should be must-have, all bloat should go so hopefully they stick to that. Less is better but for example session saver and better tab handling is expected. Many use extensions, many more do not so default setup is important.

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