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Why is apatch for messenger bad

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1) it hides the ads, microsoft gives you a free service the only thing you have to endure are one or 2 little ads. you should at least have the respect not to hide them. if you don't like them, don't click on it. But you agreed to msn (windows live) messenger to be adware when you downloaded it, respect that agreement.

I have the same problem with adblocker extensions for firefox, they take away the income of people who work hard and invest a lot and whose only revenue are ads. And on the long term, it's only making companies more determined to deliver the ads anyway which means resorting to spyware. So do us all a favor, don't block ads!

2) it's clearly a violation of the messenger eula, and as such illegal. why are people even allowed to post about new releases on neowin? i have the impression that neowin always uses two kind of standards in these matters

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Ohhhh booo hoo little Microsoft won't be able to get their precious millions in advertising :cry:

/sarcasm

very mature :no:

and as stated it's not only about microsoft (who by the way could use some extra income for their msn division), it's a general feeling on the internet that it's ok to hide ads, which it's not, you don't own them, you have no right to hide them.

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pffft, do u work for microsoft or something? :p

i say, shut the hell up and dont use it if you think its so bad!

I turn over on telly or the radio whens ads come on, why can i not do the same in my software..

perhaps there should be a pay option with no ads for msn

hmm now there is an idea!

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ya it really isn't your place to judge because to most all people that i've talked to that use messpatch or apatch say the ads are nothing but annoying and have nothing to do with their interests. maybe if they had better targeted ads more people wouldn't mind keeping them. I for one will never leave the ads there because that's not a place i want to be looking at advertisements. television is enough for me. MSN:Messenger/WLM along with all other IM programs are just that, IM programs. I want to talk to people when im on, i don't need ads all over the place poppin up and cycling, just diverting from the primary intent of an IM program. that's just my thought but i feel absolutely no remorse for removing the ads, because to me they are never going to be used so they're just wasting space being there and they detract from the UI flow as well as well as the whole reason for an IM: simple communication.

If you want to leave the ads, then by all means do it. i really don't think it's your place to start a thread to come at the many people who use the patchers and call us disrespectful for removing the ads. i dont feel its wrong because I myself will never use ads to buy a product (except for the occasional Newegg or Zipzoomfly ad on VH.net or the like) therefore the ads are just a distraction for myself.

I run a few websites and I generated a lot of income from ads before I closed the sites to rewrite them. I don't feel 'disrespected' if someone blocks the few ads i put in unobtrusive places, because those are the people who won't really generate any of the bulk income, save for the impression which isn't a lot. so coming from your side of the argument, it's really not a big deal.

For places like Neowin, once they have a pay-for-adless service, I will buy that because i wanna support Neowin.. and i use adblock but if you checked out my page config, you'd find that dailytech and virtualhideout have all the ads still visible, because they're actually targeted to my interests, and i've clicked some of those ads many times from those locations. I don't, however, feel that the google ads really targest well so i don't feel like letting them stay visible... i'm not saying i'm selfish and reckless to other's opinions, I just know what i will and will not ever click on and that is the majority of the ads about the net.

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first of all, my post clearly states "imho" and by saying so i don't think i'm stepping out of line. i just wanted to start a discussion on a public forum in the discussion center, since when is that not allowed?

second, following your ad-less neowin logic you should pay for your im if you want it ad-less, or do you have a double logic there?

and i find paying for music and software also annoying, in fact most people find paying for anything annoying, that doesn't make pirating (stealing) not right does it?

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XerXis

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incase you didnt realize theres other patches out there that remove those annoying msn ads, why are you targetting a-patch? is there something youre not telling us?

anyways i'd have to go with HoochieMamma on this one :D

nothing special, just because i saw in the new live build thread that so many people are waiting for the new a-patch to remove the ads :p

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first of all, my post clearly states "imho" and by saying so i don't think i'm stepping out of line. i just wanted to start a discussion on a public forum in the discussion center, since when is that not allowed?

second, following your ad-less neowin logic you should pay for your im if you want it ad-less, or do you have a double logic there?

and i find paying for music and software also annoying, in fact most people find paying for anything annoying, that doesn't make pirating (stealing) not right does it?

i think you're missing the point. firstly, i've no double-logic, because if they had a maybe $15 a year pricetag for a genuine adless WLM, i'd buy that. but since they don't, i gotta remove the ads the hard(er) way. I don't block neowin ads completely, but i am a subscriber so i don't feel guilty about removing the side ad on the main page.

if music was the price it should be per cd, i'd own every single cd of every song i have. but because they overcharge like crazy for them because they're money hungry selfish punks, i feel no remorse for downloading most of my music that i don't listen to all the time.

if a program that i use a lot is worth the money (aka good programming/features/usability), then i buy it. i bought windowblinds less than a year back and felt it was such a good program and well maintained that last fall i purchased an objectdesktop license too. so even though i know you weren't trying to attack me at all regarding me blocking ads or w/e, i just figure i'd put a bit of perspective on my habits so that you'd understand that even though i hate ads and remove/block most all of them, i don't advocate that practice, and that also i'm more than willing to pay for a program if i feel that it deserves my money. sorry if i sounded defensive towards you in my first post, i know that you just posted your opinion but it seems like you were just looking for a fight and kinda looking to stand out apart from status quo.

Edit: shaun2312: IMHO means in my humble opinion

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Feel for the users in Belgium when the advertising was 3 male NAKED butts.

THAT is just one example why i'd prefer not to have ads (on anything). I pay for my internet and the data *I* want, not what *YOU* want to give me.

Pure and simple. I think this has been argued over many times before ^_^

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I use A-patch, partially for the ads but thats not the only reason. The real beauty of A-patch in my eyes isnt the ability to remove the ads but to remove everything else such as the search button under send and generally alot of other crap in the UI, predomintly the Messaging window. I dont look at the contact list alot so I coulkd probably live without the ad, but I like to slim down the other features and I personally feel fine removing the ads so I do it.

BTW I run a website that gets revenue from ads (the Greenday one in my sig). I'd have no problem with users removing ads. Hell MS IE incorporates a popup blocker so they cant be totally against it can they?

Also I dont feel any moral obligation not to remove the ad since XP comes with Windows messenger which connects to the same network anyway. In terms of network maintanence it's no different which client I use. In terms of development cost sure there would be a difference, which begs the question of why the 2 apps havent yet been merged as one.

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Feel for the users in Belgium when the advertising was 3 male NAKED butts.

THAT is just one example why i'd prefer not to have ads (on anything). I pay for my internet and the data *I* want, not what *YOU* want to give me.

Pure and simple. I think this has been argued over many times before ^_^

i aim a user in belgium, never saw that ad or heard about it :p, but anyways, the problem is that microsoft or the site you visit pays for the data you send or receive from them :).

@nfin1ty : no offense taken, and not looking for a fight, i just have an opinion that is different from the mainstream one. Open for discussion :p

Nah the real Microsoft cheating software is that horrid Messenger Plus!

looks like messenger plus is history now that windows live messenger supports add ins (not that i like, i see flooders and multiple auto responders coming my way, as if the dynamic emoticons weren't bad enough :p)

But there is a big difference between the patches and msg plus, msg plus doesn't alter the executable in any way and doesn't hide the advertisements

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2) it's clearly a violation of the messenger eula, and as such illegal. why are people even allowed to post about new releases on neowin? i have the impression that neowin always uses two kind of standards in these matters

Some time ago I did talked about this (the constant violation of EULAs) via PM with a moderator.

I don't remember the end of the conversation.

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It used to just be one static ad at the bottom of the MSN Messenger Main Window - that was ok

Now its one ad at the bottom of the main MSN window that mass updates and is animated at times (very distracting), It also has ads in the form of about 70% of the tabs located on the left, there are ads at the bottom of every convo window, etc etc. - Its not just one or 2 ads

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You look at a-patch as a black and white ad-remover. Truth is it removes a lot of CRAP that I don't want to use, don't want to see, nor even NEED!

Goodbye Webcam, voicechat, mobile functionality, etc etc etc.

Why microsoft continues to pump ads into their MSN Messenger client whilst other free clients can use the same network and don't display ads...it eludes me.

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XerXis

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Why microsoft continues to pump ads into their MSN Messenger client whilst other free clients can use the same network and don't display ads...it eludes me.

you've answered your own question, the clients use microsofts network and don't have to invest in servers and bandwidth

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