dud Posted November 20, 2006 Share Posted November 20, 2006 When Casey Martin asked the PGA to let him use a golf cart, they said no. Part of the game is walking, so he had to take them to court to get it out of them. Guess what? Part of being a running back or receiver is the fact that your opponents can see your eyes. Now, Mr. Visor is shattering records because his opponents have no idea what he's looking at; they can't defend receptions because they don't know where the ball is coming from, they can't see if they have help behind them on runs. Yeah, he's got a doctor's prescription to wear a dark tinted visor, but I don't see him on the sidelines wearing sunglasses. Does he have some magical medical condition that allows his eyes to work normally when he crosses the out of bounds line? Having a medical condition doesn't entitle you to unfair advantages. Ask Troy Aikman if they allowed him to have flags so he didn't get tackled. Ask Casey Martin if he the PGA give him a cart without being forced by law to do so. What's next? A short NBA player with stilts? Free and indefinite timeouts when a player gets a migraine? There are a lot of NFL players that are not going to be happy that Ladainian Tomlinson is shattering all their hard-earned records with an advantage that few if any other player gets. It wouldn't be so bad if he weren't already a phenomenal player, but the visor gives him just enough edge to make him more than human. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnB Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Wow I never knew about that rule. I don't see enough SD games to know if this is helping his runs. If he's running to the outside a lot I would say definately since it's more one-on-one. If he's primarily a between-the-tackles runner I'd say it has more to do with his o-line blocking. Again though, if he's juking the linebackers to get extra yards, you still hve a point. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588069371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 With all due respect, does it honestly matter that much to you? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588069442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaKeY Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Lemme guess.. Broncos fan? You passed up LT for Larry Johnson in your fantasy draft? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588069477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Fulcrum Subscriber¹ Posted November 21, 2006 Subscriber¹ Share Posted November 21, 2006 Well I guess you can look at it this way. Football is a competitive sport, 'LDT' has a unfair advantage and he's getting the big bucks and as it goes that'll only increase, meanwhile his opponents are getting trampled, their salaries are diminishing and eventually they too will look to gain an advantage, perhaps Steroids, perhaps Eagle Eye Vision, or maybe just big heels. But if football isn't appealing to you, then this means nothing. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588069479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
devBrian Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 He has no unfair advantage by wearing a visor. Those of us who actually PLAYED football know that in most cases the game is being played too quickly to recognize anyone's eyes besides the Quarterback. To be honest, the best way to anticipate a player's move, especially a running back, is to watch film. Linebackers spend hours watching RB's tendencies. For example, last week, you saw LT's cut to the inside after a small hook play to the outside. When there's no men to the outside, a back will often wait for the defense to roll towards that direction and then he'll cut inside. LT just happens to be able to do this better than anyone in the league. He is Barry Sanders with Marshall Faulk's size and recieving ability. He's the best player in football, and quite possibly (well, arguably) the best running back in NFL history. People are just starting to notice. Don't blame it on the visors. Oh, and I'm an Eagles fan. Don't even bother calling bias. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588069499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
devn00b Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 As a San Diego native and a Chargers fan I just have to laugh at this. Take away LT's visor and he would still run all over just about anyone. Reading eyes :blink: You ever played football? :angry: LT is one of the best backs to play the game now or ever. Peeps could argue to no end if hes the best ever. But with or w/o the visor hes better than anyone else at the moment. Ive seen other players wear the visor how about we start bashing on them..oh wait..they arent #1 so its okay for them... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588069532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRoling Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 ACTUALLY... If you were a DB in HS or College, there is an advantage to looking at a player's eyes. You don't immediately need to turn to look for the football on throws. Although, it is good practice... if you are caught unaware, checking an opponent's eyes helps tremendously in gauging passes. Also, running backs have a tendency for looking where they are going, it isn't like basketball where you head fake pass and pump fake shots, etc. It does slightly give him an advantage as far as unpredictability goes, but... a lot of players have worn those and haven't seemed as spectacular as LT. I'd say he's a beast of a running back regardless of the tinted visor. But saying that eyes don't matter is absurd considering it is common practice for LBs and Lineman to watch QB's eye movements, and arm action for pass blocking/interception seeking. Watch the clip where Urlacher picks Pennington this last weekend.. Urlacher actually jumps before the pass is thrown due to Pennington staring at his receiver and then throwing. And then Urlacher actually says in the end game interview that Pennington needs to learn to take a quick look, not stare. It is part of the game, although saying LT can't wear a visor, who cares, he still has to follow his blocking and holes. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588069901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroChaos Veteran Posted November 22, 2006 Veteran Share Posted November 22, 2006 didn't people say the same thing about barry sanders? lt's numbers are insane though. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588071408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniPi Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 I had to laugh at this thinking that this takes away from his credability as an NFL PLAYER. I don't understand how someone can blame a visor for missing a tackle, or not knowing where a ball was being thrown at a certain point. Get me a tinted visor and a uniform and I'll pass up the league's records for TDs in my rookie season...please. :rolleyes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588076289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 23, 2006 Share Posted November 23, 2006 What a load of bull****. Oh, and it's LaDainian. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588076343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shycho Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 If thats gonna happen then take the visors off of the LB as well, I think it's just an excuse for his skill, btw i'm a titans fan so nothing to brag about here. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588103071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
artichokee Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 Unwonted, have you ever played football? One of our drills during practice was having a door between two players. One has the ball and has to pick a direction to go while the other has to tackle them. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588108883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathachew Veteran Posted December 5, 2006 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2006 The visor does have an impact; however, the guy has skills. I think he'd still do well without them, he'd just work harder at it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588108913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted December 11, 2006 Veteran Share Posted December 11, 2006 The visor would have an impact with a QB, not a RB Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588126668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
v0ltage789 Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I have to agree with you - I see it as an unfair advantage - I do like the Chargers though. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588126675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
i3iz Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 if you watched the game today, you would see that, they knew where he was going, but he was too fast and strong for them to stop him. Hes a beast. Unstoppable, record setting, fantasy football gold mining beast. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588126695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted December 12, 2006 Veteran Share Posted December 12, 2006 Do you guys really think that the defense have the time to read every player eyes and react and that speed? Get real guys, the only player you SHOULD read his eyes is the QB. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588129428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted December 12, 2006 Veteran Share Posted December 12, 2006 Do you guys really think that the defense have the time to read every player eyes and react and that speed? Get real guys, the only player you SHOULD read his eyes is the QB. :yes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588129446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1ke Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 This guys whining is ridiculous a tinted visor doesn't mean a damn thing.... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588129447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrix XII Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 I think that the original post does have a point, although not a very strong one :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588129646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranasrule Posted December 12, 2006 Share Posted December 12, 2006 visors are only unfair for receivers and QBs Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588129659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreAming in DigITal Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 /\ Actually wearing a visor can put you at a disadvantage too. If a QB or WR wears one then they cannot "look off" a defender or get the defender to jump a pass when its not really coming. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588133416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kak Posted December 13, 2006 Share Posted December 13, 2006 Do you guys really think that the defense have the time to read every player eyes and react and that speed? Get real guys, the only player you SHOULD read his eyes is the QB. True. I can see a rare instance where it would help a DB by reading a RB/WR's eyes, but they should be covering them closely enough by that time to know if the ball is coming or not. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588133436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cha0sDragon14 Posted December 15, 2006 Share Posted December 15, 2006 Even if LT wears a visor, he still shows that he is skilled enough in order to score so many times. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/514177-nfl-ladanian-tomlinsons-records-worthless-wvisor/#findComment-588139780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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