dcd722 Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Does anyone else see the significance of this, or am I just overthinking :p pi and phi were both mentioned on the /biography page. the square root symbol (if Gm7 is really that) and 22 (age) were both on the youtube site Thats funny... that page is also hosted at http://www.vanishingpointgame.com/rpiiajsuy/ This probably isnt important... but I googled the main site and got this The vanishing point is the boundary between Something and Everything; between What Is and What Can Be. Fewer than a thousand people have ever been there to see the ultimate vista. The grand prize winner will be one of them.The race for that destiny will begin when the countdown hits zero. from http://www.vanishingpointgame.com/zenith/ I think it's Vista Ultimate Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmst Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Thats funny... that page is also hosted at http://www.vanishingpointgame.com/rpiiajsuy/ That was also covered before :p they changed the puzzle and kept both results valid This probably isnt important... but I googled the main site and got this from http://www.vanishingpointgame.com/zenith/ I think it's Vista Ultimate I dunno... they're already giving out laptops with Vista Ultimate to bloggers, so the grand prize must be something else Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyco Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I dont really think Vista Ultimate has to much with the grand prize. MS is not that stupid, they know that people who visit forums like this one and many other already have acquired Vista Ultimate if they felt like getting one - whether thats moral or not. They probably know that a software that has been around for nearly a month is not an incouraging factor for getting involved in such games for most of us. Thus I'd think if they have at least a small brain [which i do think they have, probably even bigger], they will come up with something relevant... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambon Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I dont really think Vista Ultimate has to much with the grand prize. MS is not that stupid, they know that people who visit forums like this one and many other already have acquired Vista Ultimate if they felt like getting one - whether thats moral or not. They probably know that a software that has been around for nearly a month is not an incouraging factor for getting involved in such games for most of us. Thus I'd think if they have at least a small brain [which i do think they have, probably even bigger], they will come up with something relevant... I think you're right but it could easily be one of the runner-up prizes, they could even give away 1000... Anyway, we need to crack on with the clues, it's gone quiet. There must be more in the video. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janna May Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Has anyone had any luck with the text on the notebook..? Under the "Taper Time" the formula reads dy^2 = ds ^2 - dt ^2 i think, Which ties in with the Space time - relativity thing.. Also the text to the left of the globe looks upside down to me.. Is anyone working on anything specific ..? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_onion Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Careful guys. Don't assume that something out of place or inconsistent is part of the game. Odds are that if it's something they want you to pay attention to, they'll make it VERY obvious (at least, obvious to someone with an eye for it.) The D&G on the glasses is Dolce & Gabanna, and likely means nothing other than illustrating that Loki is a fashionista. The wrappers could be easily explained by what we call a "zipper", simply a continuity flaw introduced in the editing process. The lingering shot on the page inside the book, on the other hand, is clearly important and relevant. Usually if something is a clue, it'll jump out at you as either out of place or otherwise weird, but don't let your enthusiasm lead you to overanalysis. i dont know if this guy is one of the people running the game or not, but his sentiment is right either way. these little things arent important. its pretty obvious that we should be thinking about the shot of the inside of the book, we have to work what that family tree means. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyco Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Has anyone had any luck with the text on the notebook..? Under the "Taper Time" the formula reads dy^2 = ds ^2 - dt ^2 i think, Which ties in with the Space time - relativity thing.. That rather seems like dy^2= ds^2 - dt^3 where d is Delta - i'm not good at physics but s was displacement and t was time if i remember well. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janna May Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 That rather seems like dy^2= ds^2 - dt^3 where d is Delta - i'm not good at physics but s was displacement and t was time if i remember well. yes i think it is actually a 3..! :D anyone know the link to the online pdf of the book she was reading... ..? trying to find the link in all the posts... :blink: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephantom Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 I have worked on the sketchbook quite a bit now, maybe there is any information on them that can be recovered. For now I am focussing on frame #1798, which gives the clearest view of the upper right part of the sketchbook. I rotated, magified and adjusted the perspective. After that I tried a number of ways to get to the information: 1. Frame #1789 (cropped version, frame directly taken from HQ wmv, no capture) 2. rotated, adjusted perspective and magified 3. levels adjusted to give the impression of a white paper. I know that the paper really *is* yellow, but that works out some details and gives you more contrast 4. sharpened version, with some highlights, the formulars really are nice® to read now. I personally think, this is the best version. 5. levels blown over the top, much color. maybe this is helpful, don't know really. Analyzing the resulting images gives us the following information (only the upper right part of the image is taken into consideration, speculations are in italics): 'T'opes time' ??. make TIME ????? Then there clearly is a formular: dy? = d5? - dZ? which could also be dy? = d5? * dZ? The d5? could also stand for dS?, the dZ? could also be d2?. Or, as was mentioned before, dT?. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyco Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 yes i think it is actually a 3..! :D anyone know the link to the online pdf of the book she was reading... ..? trying to find the link in all the posts... :blink: Its probably not Y though...there is no sign in physics for Y. What greek letters are similar-looking to Y? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upsilon_particle] Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephantom Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 What greek letters are similar-looking to Y? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upsilon_particle] For example gamma (γ). That could very well be. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esvandiary Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Its probably not Y though...there is no sign in physics for Y. What greek letters are similar-looking to Y? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upsilon_particle] Right now i'm thinking gamma (γ - sorry if that doesn't come out) - [Greek Alphabet in the Main Alphabet section] And yes, one-post-wondered, I know :p I'll see if I can help any more from now on, but I doubt it :laugh: EDIT: Gah, damn you stephantom :laugh: (Well, don't damn you - excellent work with those pictures! :)) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephantom Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 anyone know the link to the online pdf of the book she was reading... ..? She's reading chapter 26 of "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire XXVI". Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esvandiary Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Then there clearly is a formular: dy? = d5? - dZ? which could also be dy? = d5? * dZ? The d5? could also stand for dS?, the dZ? could also be d2?. Or, as was mentioned before, dT?. I'm thinking it's ds? and dt?, but only because those are commonly used differentials (ds is usually the change in displacement/distance, and dt the change in time)... Not sure what dy (or dγ) would represent though! EDIT: Whoops, looks like Wyco beat me to that one as well (mental note: do not skim posts!) I don't see how you'd do anything with those equations though, once you get to third differentials surely the meaning gets lost a lot... ds? (assuming it was shorthand for d?s/dx?) would mean acceleration, not sure what'd be accelerating though! And as for what the hell the third differential of the change in time renoI have :rofl:/b> idea :rofl: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyco Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Right now i'm thinking gamma (γ - sorry if that doesn't come out) - [Greek Alphabet in the Main Alphabet section] And yes, one-post-wondered, I know :p I'll see if I can help any more from now on, but I doubt it :laugh: EDIT: Gah, damn you stephantom :laugh: (Well, don't damn you - excellent work with those pictures! :)) Thnx. Try to fetch some more options, Gamma does not seem to yield the math/phys equation we need. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_%28disambiguation%29] Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esvandiary Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Thnx. Try to fetch some more options, Gamma does not seem to yield the math/phys equation we need. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_%28disambiguation%29] Could be a capital Upsilon (Υ) i suppose, but that's basically just a Y again, so we wouldn't really know the difference :D It does look really like a gamma though, and they are often used in differential equations... Also, this link from the gamma page does seem to be a bit like our Loki (she does seem to like "elegant" things) - both the natural logarithm (related to e) and the harmonic series (all the 1/x on the biography page). Also, halfway down at the "e to the power of γ" bit, there are gammas... and it says: "Occasionally, e^γ is denoted y'" - and y' is equivalent to dy... Are we onto something? Or following a dead end :laugh: EDIT: That "eγ" should be e-to-the-power-of-γ... Corrected. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyco Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Off topic: Neowin is in the process of porting over to Invision Power Board 2.2.1. This will take place on the live site shortly. So if you see the board offline between now and the 1st of January, the reason is due to this upgrade. https://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=36695 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmst Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Could be a capital Upsilon (Υ) i suppose, but that's basically just a Y again, so we wouldn't really know the difference :D It does look really like a gamma though, and they are often used in differential equations... Also, this link from the gamma page does seem to be a bit like our Loki (she does seem to like "elegant" things) - both the natural logarithm (related to e) and the harmonic series (all the 1/x on the biography page). Also, halfway down at the "e to the power of γ" bit, there are gammas... and it says: "Occasionally, e^γ is denoted y'" - and y' is equivalent to dy... Are we onto something? Or following a dead end :laugh: EDIT: That "eγ" should be e-to-the-power-of-γ... Corrected. Nice work everyone :D The next line of the formula is most like +/- (plus or minus) sqrt(1 - v/???) Need to brush up on some of these physics equations... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankchn Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 The γ symbol can be taken to mean the Lorentz Factor, used in Special Relativity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_factor The metric for Minkowski space in one dimension (which can be used to derive most special relativity equations) is ds^2 = dt^2 - dx^2 Hope it helps. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
novastar Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 exactly... I am positive that's what it is, it can't be anything else in this context Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmst Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 The γ symbol can be taken to mean the Lorentz Factor, used in Special Relativity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_factor The metric for Minkowski space in one dimension (which can be used to derive most special relativity equations) is ds^2 = dt^2 - dx^2 Hope it helps. GREAT! thanks, that sounds very possible If you follow the links on that wikipedia page to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity, our cone shape comes up :D seems to be called a light cone Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
novastar Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 lol, I posted that about 3 days ago Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esvandiary Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Nice work everyone :D The next line of the formula is most like +/- (plus or minus) sqrt(1 - v/???) Need to brush up on some of these physics equations... That +/- looks more like a pi symbol to me, but who knows :) And indeed, excellent work frankchn and malcolmst for the light cone! EDIT: Well I missed it too, but still nice one novastar... make us pay attention more next time ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephantom Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 If you follow the links on that wikipedia page to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_relativity, our cone shape comes up Yes! That is great work there! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmst Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 lol, I posted that about 3 days ago lol, sorry... I'm forgetting stuff that was posted :p hard to remember 83 pages.... edit: my bad... 82 pages :D That +/- looks more like a pi symbol to me, but who knows :) And indeed, excellent work frankchn and malcolmst for the light cone! EDIT: Well I missed it too, but still nice one novastar... make us pay attention more next time ;) The reason I thought it was +/- is because that would make the most sense in front of a square root. It is still possible that it's pi or something though. If the notebook is related to the biography page, pi, phi, and e should all be on there somewhere Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/49/#findComment-588173668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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