Janna May Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 What about the text to the left of the 2nd equation looks like an A (x or d) somthing y something, A days ? 4th word looks like "line" or "the" ? Need that pic cleaned up a bit somehow.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esvandiary Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 The reason I thought it was +/- is because that would make the most sense in front of a square root. It is still possible that it's pi or something though. If the notebook is related to the biography page, pi, phi, and e should all be on there somewhere Yeah, I guess a +/- would make more sense - although to get the volume of a cylindrical-ish object (light cone?) you do pi multiplied by the integral of, err, something (damned memory :rolleyes:) - so if the square root was the value of that integral maybe... Or perhaps i'm just getting way too technical and complex for my own good :laugh: Ah well, I think it looks like a pi anyway :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
novastar Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 My votes for +/-, why would you have a pi in front of a sqrt, never seen that before Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptNemo Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 This is what I can Make out (I think) It seems to me it says "Actrove (or Adrove) of left line" then it looks like "good not" then something starting with "R" The "Left Line" could be referring to the picture on the left (There is an arrow pointing to a line on the left) Also on the left picture, and on the right side, it reads "Lift" The only word i can make out in the top left is "and" And the symbol next to the square root could also be a 3, just with bad handwriting. A +/- would make sense but i can't see how that resembles it, i would say it was closer to a cubed root. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malcolmst Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Yeah, I guess a +/- would make more sense - although to get the volume of a cylindrical-ish object (light cone?) you do pi multiplied by the integral of, err, something (damned memory :rolleyes:) - so if the square root was the value of that integral maybe... Or perhaps i'm just getting way too technical and complex for my own good :laugh: Ah well, I think it looks like a pi anyway :p Think that would be pi*r^2*h/3... something like that :p, but in this case the cone would extend infinitely so volume would be infinite as well Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
novastar Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 when you do integrals that are rotations about an axis you often have pi's involved but in the relativity context I am pretty sure it's a +/-, it's something to do with relativity, I've seen the sqrt before somewhere Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptNemo Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 under the square root sign it looks like 1 - y3/y or 1 - v3/y Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gxblast Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 The sweets Change direction at 23.84 in the video http://uploads.neowin.net/download.php?fil...;name=Lookq.jpg Looking even deeper into these frame at 23.84 and onwards a plug is missing from the socket at the same time as the sweets changing direction. as shown in the image above. the plugs shown and narrated in the image below Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NodakPaul Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Looking even deeper into these frame at 23.84 and onwards a plug is missing from the socket at the same time as the sweets changing direction. as shown in the image above. the plugs shown and narrated in the image below I think we should probably stop dwelling on extremely small details like the direction of the sweets or whether or not a plug is in or not. These are most likely the result of several takes on the same shot. You see little mistakes like this in movies all the time, so it stands to reason that Microsoft could fall prey to the same mistakes. Like the previous poster said, overanalyzing the little details in the video can lead us to miss the important ones. Clues will presented in such a way that the people trying to solve the puzzle have a decent chance of picking up on it. Or overtly obviously like the writing on the page is. Just my 0.22 Mexican pesos... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyco Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Looking even deeper into these frame at 23.84 and onwards a plug is missing from the socket at the same time as the sweets changing direction. as shown in the image above. the plugs shown and narrated in the image below Bit off topic, but just for the sake of notice, the plugs seem to be American to me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperRob Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Bit off topic, but just for the sake of notice, the plugs seem to be American to me. Oh for crying out ... OK, I'm not in the game. I'm playing it just like everyone else. And while I understand that many posters here are from a global community, given that the locations that come up on one of the game pages are all in the US (and that conducting contests globally is a major pain in the ass), I think it's safe to assume that the plugs being American standard has zero relevance. The candy wrappers are probably just an indication of backstory ... Loki likes chocolate, or she was in that room for four days, or something like that. I highly doubt that it has any further relevance. As for what is relevant, I'm really surprised that more of you aren't puzzling this out. Some of the equations I've seen seem awfully similar to equations for Escape Velocity. Since one of our answers was "3scap3grav1ty", that stands to reason. What is Escape Velocity? It's the speed you need to achieve to break away from the Earth's gravitational pull, and it's the only way to reach outer space. That's right. The "ultimate vista" which only 1000 or so people have ever seen is a view of our world from the window of a spacecraft. The grand prize is a trip to the International Space Station. I'm sure of it. Now if that doesn't get people excited, I don't know what will. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephantom Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 That sounds awfully convincing... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janna May Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Oh for crying out ... OK, I'm not in the game. I'm playing it just like everyone else. And while I understand that many posters here are from a global community, given that the locations that come up on one of the game pages are all in the US (and that conducting contests globally is a major pain in the ass), I think it's safe to assume that the plugs being American standard has zero relevance. The candy wrappers are probably just an indication of backstory ... Loki likes chocolate, or she was in that room for four days, or something like that. I highly doubt that it has any further relevance. As for what is relevant, I'm really surprised that more of you aren't puzzling this out. Some of the equations I've seen seem awfully similar to equations for Escape Velocity. Since one of our answers was "3scap3grav1ty", that stands to reason. What is Escape Velocity? It's the speed you need to achieve to break away from the Earth's gravitational pull, and it's the only way to reach outer space. That's right. The "ultimate vista" which only 1000 or so people have ever seen is a view of our world from the window of a spacecraft. The grand prize is a trip to the International Space Station. I'm sure of it. Now if that doesn't get people excited, I don't know what will. Not being an avid space follower, but has their really been a 1000 or so people in space, would of thought its much closer to a 100..? but back to more important things, has any one got any clearer images of the notebook they can post..? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NodakPaul Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Oh for crying out ... OK, I'm not in the game. I'm playing it just like everyone else. And while I understand that many posters here are from a global community, given that the locations that come up on one of the game pages are all in the US (and that conducting contests globally is a major pain in the ass), I think it's safe to assume that the plugs being American standard has zero relevance. The candy wrappers are probably just an indication of backstory ... Loki likes chocolate, or she was in that room for four days, or something like that. I highly doubt that it has any further relevance. As for what is relevant, I'm really surprised that more of you aren't puzzling this out. Some of the equations I've seen seem awfully similar to equations for Escape Velocity. Since one of our answers was "3scap3grav1ty", that stands to reason. What is Escape Velocity? It's the speed you need to achieve to break away from the Earth's gravitational pull, and it's the only way to reach outer space. That's right. The "ultimate vista" which only 1000 or so people have ever seen is a view of our world from the window of a spacecraft. The grand prize is a trip to the International Space Station. I'm sure of it. Now if that doesn't get people excited, I don't know what will. Holy pooh. Possible. Remote, but possible. Let's look into Lok- I mean - SuperRob's thoughts. (just kidding... he said he is a player...) ;) This is a partial derivation of escape velocity using calculus and the chain rule: It is similar to what we see in the notebook, but I don't think it is exact. Any math guys here today? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephantom Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 has any one got any clearer images of the notebook they can post..? I am working on it, but I doubt that I'll get it much clearer... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptNemo Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Oh for crying out ...OK, I'm not in the game. I'm playing it just like everyone else. And while I understand that many posters here are from a global community, given that the locations that come up on one of the game pages are all in the US (and that conducting contests globally is a major pain in the ass), I think it's safe to assume that the plugs being American standard has zero relevance. The candy wrappers are probably just an indication of backstory ... Loki likes chocolate, or she was in that room for four days, or something like that. I highly doubt that it has any further relevance. As for what is relevant, I'm really surprised that more of you aren't puzzling this out. Some of the equations I've seen seem awfully similar to equations for Escape Velocity. Since one of our answers was "3scap3grav1ty", that stands to reason. What is Escape Velocity? It's the speed you need to achieve to break away from the Earth's gravitational pull, and it's the only way to reach outer space. That's right. The "ultimate vista" which only 1000 or so people have ever seen is a view of our world from the window of a spacecraft. The grand prize is a trip to the International Space Station. I'm sure of it. Now if that doesn't get people excited, I don't know what will. That makes complete sense. Not sure if this has anything to do with "escaping" from earth, but on the biography page, it does say: Most of all I learned to escape. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janna May Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Holy pooh. Possible. Remote, but possible. Let's look into Lok- I mean - SuperRob's thoughts. (just kidding... he said he is a player...) ;) This is a partial derivation of escape velocity using calculus and the chain rule: It is similar to what we see in the notebook, but I don't think it is exact. Any math guys here today? umm not a maths guy myself, but it doesnt look very similar to me....in fact it doesnt look anything like it..! (but again im not a maths guy..!) I am working on it, but I doubt that I'll get it much clearer... any chance you can just conecntrate on parts.. instead of the whole page.. i think the last equation would help a lot...!! id help, but im stuck at work.. and havent got the necessary tools..!! :( any one got any idea what the graph/wave diagram represents..? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_onion Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 yeah i agree with you SuperRob about the overanalysis thing, its just pointless people should be working on the family tree and the other thing which are obvious clues. im not so sure about the trip to space thing that seems like a bit of wishful thinking although it is hard to imagine something that you could describe as "the ultimate vista" that less than 1000 people have done that isnt space but i really dont know. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janna May Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 yeah i agree with you SuperRob about the overanalysis thing, its just pointless people should be working on the family tree and the other thing which are obvious clues. im not so sure about the trip to space thing that seems like a bit of wishful thinking although it is hard to imagine something that you could describe as "the ultimate vista" that less than 1000 people have done that isnt space but i really dont know. Has anyone got a link to the book with the family tree thing..? found one, but it wasnt working. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CptNemo Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 any one got any idea what the graph/wave diagram represents..? it looks to me like a diagram...not a graph if you look to the right you can make out one word, and it was "lift" (as i stated on page 82) to me it looks like a magicians box (the one that they put people it and magically make them "vanish", except it's not rectangular, it is curved at the top. The lift arrow points at a bolded object in the diagram Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyco Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 yeah i agree with you SuperRob about the overanalysis thing, its just pointless people should be working on the family tree and the other thing which are obvious clues. im not so sure about the trip to space thing that seems like a bit of wishful thinking although it is hard to imagine something that you could describe as "the ultimate vista" that less than 1000 people have done that isnt space but i really dont know. FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_a..._by_nationality Surely less than 100 :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
schramh Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Just a little brain storm here.... There are few things that bother me. 1. The vanishing thing, since there are several locations than who ever or what ever it is, it must be vanishing several times and then appearing again at a new location. 2. The winner wll become famous i.e. like has been said previously the persons name will be repeated so often that it will match the count of sand in the beach. Loki as we know him has been trying to avoid attention by under achiving in life??? 3. The woman in the video says that there can be alot of money be made in Las Vegas surely she is only refering to casinos and their owners. I am not sure how many of the clues are relevant and then which are and which aren't. I am very proud of this comunity and I personnally love games like the vanishing point. over and out alotoflager Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAWLESS Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 it looks to me like a diagram...not a graph if you look to the right you can make out one word, and it was "lift" (as i stated on page 82) to me it looks like a magicians box (the one that they put people it and magically make them "vanish", except it's not rectangular, it is curved at the top. The lift arrow points at a bolded object in the diagram That "lift" reminds me of the project "Space Elevator". Scientists ( I think Japanese ) are working on this nowadays. Can there be a connection between the space elevator, the word "lift" on the notebook and the japanese writings? Maybe the winner will be the first person to use the space elevator? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geevans1 Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Not being an avid space follower, but has their really been a 1000 or so people in space, would of thought its much closer to a 100..? but back to more important things, has any one got any clearer images of the notebook they can post..? Actually, the number is just a little over 500 people, but just a minor detail... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAWLESS Posted December 28, 2006 Share Posted December 28, 2006 Please hjave a look at this, it mentions "escaping gravity" Space elevator From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search A space elevator would consist of a cable anchored to the Earth's surface, reaching into space. By attaching a counterweight at the end (or by further extending the cable for the same purpose), centrifugal force ensures that the cable remains stretched taut, countering the gravitational pull on the lower sections, thus allowing the elevator to remain in geostationary orbit. Once beyond the gravitational midpoint, carriage would be accelerated further by the planet's rotation. Diagram not to scale.A space elevator is a proposed structure designed to transport material from a planet's surface into space. Many different types of space elevators have been suggested. They all share the goal of replacing rocket propulsion with the traversal of a fixed structure via a mechanism not unlike an elevator in order to move material into or beyond orbit. Space elevators have also sometimes been referred to as beanstalks, space bridges, space lifts, space ladders or orbital towers. The most common proposal is a tether, usually in the form of a cable or ribbon, spanning from the surface to a point beyond geosynchronous orbit. As the planet rotates, the inertia at the end of the tether counteracts the centripetal force of gravity and keeps the cable taut. Vehicles can then climb the tether and escape the planet's gravity without the use of rocket propulsion. Such a structure could theoretically permit delivery of cargo and people to orbit with transportation costs a fraction of those of more traditional methods of launching a payload into orbit. Recent proposals for a space elevator are notable in their plans to incorporate carbon nanotubes into the tether design, thus providing a link between space exploration and nanotechnology. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/523893-the-pre-game-fun/page/50/#findComment-588173990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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