Xbox 360 v2 : Codename Zephyr

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Sony have been guilty of doing the same thing, twice infact with the PS1 and PS2.

These were redesigns, all they did was make them smaller and sleeker, and they did this several years after they were released.

I don't even care about this 360 v2 business, it just annoys me to see people make these stupid comparisons that make no sense.

And it's not just this topic, it happens all the time.

Giga - fair point there, actually.

Grand Master

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There CANNOT be made a HDMI cable for the current Xbox 360's.

Why?

Because the current Xbox 360's lack a HDCP encryption chip which is NECESSARY for HDMI output.

HDCP Encryption chips where very hard to find around the time when the X360 launched, so MS opted NOT to include it as it would delay their launch. This is also one of the reasons to the PS3 launch delay, because those HDCP encryption chips was impossible to find back then (the same goes for video cards).

The 360 doesn't have a dedicated sound chip yet the 360 is able to reproduce any audio format from Dolby Digital and DTS, how? It?s all software based... Microsoft is a software company and because of that we can do almost anything we want with the hardware as we own all the components this time around.:devil:l:

As for the HDMI solution I already said I?m not talking about that topic anymore until the official announcement is releas:happy:p:yes:yes:

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Sony have been guilty of doing the same thing, twice infact with the PS1 and PS2.

How long after the original PS2 was released was the slimline released? 1 year or several years? My point is, why is MS releasing another version so soon? People like consoles because they (supposed to) rarely change.

The car comparison? That doesn't compute since if replacing a part for a 2005 car might be different for a 2006 model. But if I purchase a game at launch and play it on a launch console, I expect it to play similarly and perform the same on a console (of the same name) that is released 3, 4 years down the road. I don't own any consoles for the next gen but this move by MS makes me not trust them as much (not like I did much anyways lol).

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Oh please, why do people make these illogical comparisons. A car is nothing like a console, what the hell?

He never said a car was like a console. They are similar in that cars are updated and given extra features that weren't available to previous years. If you want to make sure your next console is the absolute best for the best price then wait5 to 10 years after it's released then buy it. You'll have the latest system. Otherwise buy your console early and enjoy the time spent playing it that people who wait don't get to enjoy.

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I haven't heard anyone else bring this up, but what if with the new version of the 360, MS decides to incorporate the HD-DVD drive into the console?

Think about it, it would be brilliant tactical move on their part if they can do this without prices going to high.

Now before everyone becomes irrational and mad about the idea of purchasing two versions of a game, currently on the market consumers have hybrid discs with both HD and regular DVD prints on a single disc.

I'm sure MS could do this as well for games, and would easily resolve issues of some developers saying they are running out of disc space to create their games. In the end its a win win situation IMO.

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He never said a car was like a console. They are similar in that cars are updated and given extra features that weren't available to previous years. If you want to make sure your next console is the absolute best for the best price then wait5 to 10 years after it's released then buy it. You'll have the latest system. Otherwise buy your console early and enjoy the time spent playing it that people who wait don't get to enjoy.

5 to 10 years? We'll be talking about the next Xbox by then. How is a year after it was released early? Seriously, if you waited for stuff to always be the latest and updated, you'd be waiting forever for everything.

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Assuming this is true:

1. I doubt MS will have any upgrade/trade in plan for existing XBOX 360 v1 owners. They already have your money... you already have their console. This is a shame, but oh well.

2. VGA cables are already available and support the "1080p" resolution. Some TVs don't support it... but I'm in the market for a new TV right now and you better believe that I'll be getting one with VGA inputs for my x360. I'm not sure what the quality difference is between HDMI and VGA. I have compared the quality difference at ~720p resolution between DVI (which is very similar to HDMI) and VGA and I can say that it is pretty dang marginal. The only difference I could tell is in sharpness of black text on a white background. Games looked the same. I'm sure these results will be different going from display to display. Furthermore, I believe that most games will perform best at the 720p resolution and most xbox 360 owners will not have a capable 1080p set until the next gen of consoles (2010 about).

3. The majority of the noise comes from the optical drive, not the cooling fans. Is this going to be updated as well? If not, then I doubt anyone is going to have a quieter v2 xbox 360 experience. If you don't believe me, download and play a demo of an x360 game. The console is a lot quieter when that drive isn't spinning at full blast.

4. Either Microsoft is going to have to lower the retail price of v1 xbox 360's or the price of v2 360's is going to have to be higher. The transition in hardware is going to be tricky as no one is going to want the old hardware.

So there are my two cents. I already have an xbox 360 and am not very concerned about this.

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If you bought a XBox360 solely in the hopes that it'd win the "console war", you bought it for the wrong reason. That's not Microsoft's fault.
:huh: Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? Where are you getting these wacky idea's from? I care about the console wars? Not a chance. I care about what I like and am loyal to my wallet. But you clearly don't understand how a manufacturing process works.
Are you suggesting that current owners will stop buying games, or stop their Live subscriptions, because someone out there will have a "nicer" Xbox than them?

This all assumes that the Xbox consumer base does what you think it will, which is protest Microsoft and stop giving them their money. Somehow, I think the "hardcore" gamers will get over it. And if these gamers are so "hardcore", why wouldn't they just sell their current 360s and buy new ones when they come out, regardless of whether it's 2007 and 2008. You're making a lot of assumptions about how people will react.

So right now you love your 360. However, is MS releases an HDMI 360, you'd sell your 360 and consider a PS3?

Again, where are you getting this stuff from? :blink: Did you ever learn how to make a logical argument? Your just making huge inferences. People will get mad at MS but are not going to burn their current 360 in the street and stop playing their games and LIVE. I said they would remember this and be less inclined to early adopt other MS products. Man your just trolling looking for an argument and trying to make a point against what you perceive me to be saying instead of what i am actually saying. :|

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I haven't heard anyone else bring this up, but what if with the new version of the 360, MS decides to incorporate the HD-DVD drive into the console?

Think about it, it would be brilliant tactical move on their part if they can do this without prices going to high.

Now before everyone becomes irrational and mad about the idea of purchasing two versions of a game, currently on the market consumers have hybrid discs with both HD and regular DVD prints on a single disc.

I'm sure MS could do this as well for games, and would easily resolve issues of some developers saying they are running out of disc space to create their games. In the end its a win win situation IMO.

Is there really issues of developers running out of disc space for their games? 8GB seems like an awful lot of space for any game these days.

Grand Master

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This is fake... people have already said that these are the same pictures from 2005. As already mentioned MS would not have 2 output for video, they would use the same universal output they have been using. Also keep in mind that there is no audio out for people who do not want to use the HDMI to carry the audio

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Ok, what about phones, Ipod's etc?
They release them with new model numbers and product names, not the same product with the same name but different features
I haven't heard anyone else bring this up, but what if with the new version of the 360, MS decides to incorporate the HD-DVD drive into the console?

They wouldn't get away with this unless the external drive price went down BIG style. This is a product breaking feature that would screw over every previous buyer massively to the point that they can't play new games at all rather than the HDMI upgrade or whatever that doesn't really prevent 360 owners from playing at all

Actually, the PStwo included a built in Ethernet port.

ya I agree but the PStwo Ethernet port could be brought separately for those that had the old big style PS2's.

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Yes... but this was available to older models, just not built in. This arguement is going round in circles.

Like I said, there was versions of the PS1 and PS2 which removed/added stuff. This is on different.

Sorry, but I bet Sony will do something similar in the future.

Grand Master

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great, hope MS would offer some type of trade up for us folks that already own a 360. I don't feel like shelling out another couple of hundred bucks for v2.

I got mine a few days ago >.<

Oh well, I Don't even have an HDTV Anyway so HDMI is useless to me :p

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BajiRav

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The 360 doesn't have a dedicated sound chip yet the 360 is able to reproduce any audio format from Dolby Digital and DTS, how? It's all software based... Microsoft is a software company and because of that we can do almost anything we want with the hardware as we own all the components this time around. :devil:

As for the HDMI solution I already said I'm not talking about that topic anymore until the official announcement is released. :happy: :yes:

Just when I was thinking something like that...

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jackwanders

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:huh: Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? Where are you getting these wacky idea's from? I care about the console wars? Not a chance. I care about what I like and am loyal to my wallet. But you clearly don't understand how a manufacturing process works.

I'll give you that one. I misread your statement. I thought you said that people bought the XBox360, hoping it would have the largest user base, when you meant that MS released it early in the hopes of getting a larger user base. My mistake.

Again, where are you getting this stuff from? :blink: Did you ever learn how to make a logical argument? Your just making huge inferences. People will get mad at MS but are not going to burn their current 360 in the street and stop playing their games and LIVE. I said they would remember this and be less inclined to early adopt other MS products. Man your just trolling looking for an argument and trying to make a point against what you perceive me to be saying instead of what i am actually saying. :|

If you're only talking about early adoption of future MS consoles, I'd disagree with that too. Early adopters are always going to need to be the first kid on the block with the new toy. And just because MS came out with a 360rev2 a year after release doesn't mean that they're going to do the same thing with the next console. People might get miffed, but I don't think it's going to change their buying habits.

Grand Master

.Markus

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Moral of the story, never purchase a 1.0 release of anything created by MS.

That is such a rubbish argument, and you know it!

Do you think I'm complaining because I didn't get a colour screen or movieplayback on my photo iPod?

I, unlike many people here obviously, expect technology to move forward in big leaps and prices for cutting edge technoloy to be decreasing at the same time.

MS would have shot themselves in the foot by releasing Xbox 360 one year later than planned. Sony has by far the biggest market share, and consequently would had much more media attention and hype about it.

So why not release the 360 with HDMI out and larger hdd to start with?

This is the same reason as why many people shy away from PS3 today, including me. I am not prepared to pay such a large amount of money for a console made just to play games on. (don't even start to mention the pathetic Blu-Ray movie format).

The 360 would have been above most peoples budget, and would subsequently loose their marginal market share.

It all makes sense when you think about it. :sleep:

Grand Master

ToneKnee

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That is such a rubbish argument, and you know it!

Do you think I'm complaining because I didn't get a colour screen or movieplayback on my photo iPod?

I, unlike many people here obviously, expect technology to move forward in big leaps and prices for cutting edge technoloy to be decreasing at the same time.

MS would have shot themselves in the foot by releasing Xbox 360 one year later than planned. Sony has by far the biggest market share, and consequently would had much more media attention and hype about it.

So why not release the 360 with HDMI out and larger hdd to start with?

This is the same reason as why many people shy away from PS3 today, including me. I am not prepared to pay such a large amount of money for a console made just to play games on. (don't even start to mention the pathetic Blu-Ray movie format).

The 360 would have been above most peoples budget, and would subsequently loose their marginal market share.

It all makes sense when you think about it. :sleep:

That's the thing everyone is forgetting though isn't it? Sony want a Media Hub, while Microsoft are focusing on gaming. Though the Xbox360 can be used as a Media Hub, but that's a something you can add-on if you want.

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