DrCheese Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I'd love an upgrade package tho to me its a bit early to think about that considering I only got my 360 like a month ago heh..... A free upgrade for recent buyers would rock but VERY unlikely >.> Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sethos Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I'd love an upgrade package tho to me its a bit early to think about that considering I only got my 360 like a month ago heh.....A free upgrade for recent buyers would rock but VERY unlikely >.> What makes recent buyers deserve it more than all the other 360 owners? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDQuiksilver Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 With other points aside and for the sake of staying on topic.. are you boys in Microsoft-land finally seeing the light with HDMI and larger capacity harddrives as we do with our Playstation 3's? Seems to me that used to be an arguement against Sony. "There's no need for all that space" and "Who cares about HDMI when I've got component?" were commonly used points. Interesting nonetheless.. good to see Microsoft realizes the actual potential of media and not just games. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aahz Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 With other points aside and for the sake of staying on topic.. are you boys in Microsoft-land finally seeing the light with HDMI and larger capacity harddrives as we do with our Playstation 3's? Seems to me that used to be an arguement against Sony. "There's no need for all that space" and "Who cares about HDMI when I've got component?" were commonly used points. Interesting nonetheless.. good to see Microsoft realizes the actual potential of media and not just games. I love the last sentence considering that the PS3 is all potential and no games. :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Mods on Official Xbox 360 forum deleted all the related threads!I will have to Judge for myself, but I wish someone can direct me a comparasion online right now? You have to see it in person to really see differences. It depends on the display as well as the source, really. Also, I currently cannot view 1080p unless I use HDMI. So my reasoning is two-fold. Cough up the dough for the HDMI version or hope for MS to have a upgrade package. :D I'm hoping for some sort of trade-in system. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 With other points aside and for the sake of staying on topic.. are you boys in Microsoft-land finally seeing the light with HDMI and larger capacity harddrives as we do with our Playstation 3's? Seems to me that used to be an arguement against Sony. "There's no need for all that space" and "Who cares about HDMI when I've got component?" were commonly used points. Interesting nonetheless.. good to see Microsoft realizes the actual potential of media and not just games. Good point. And you know because of this they were able to market their console for far cheaper than the PS3 for a whole year and will continue to be able to do so. -Spenser Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrack Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Hey...I heard that....plus not making games and taking it off the market...bad move.... I know what you mean man. I'm still mad at Nintendo for stopping SNES development. Jerks. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 With other points aside and for the sake of staying on topic.. are you boys in Microsoft-land finally seeing the light with HDMI and larger capacity harddrives as we do with our Playstation 3's? Seems to me that used to be an arguement against Sony. "There's no need for all that space" and "Who cares about HDMI when I've got component?" were commonly used points. Interesting nonetheless.. good to see Microsoft realizes the actual potential of media and not just games. Good point, sort of. I still don't think the majority of the market cares for a bigger HDD or HDMI. I still don't. But the percentage of the market that does is only going to grow. And you know because of this they were able to market their console for far cheaper than the PS3 for a whole year and will continue to be able to do so. -Spenser Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novaoblivion Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 The only reason I care about HDMI is because many TVs can only accept 1080p through an HDMI connection. If MS offers some kind of upgrade package or something similar for people who bought it within the first year that would be really great, but I think thats not very likely to happen. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted January 6, 2007 Veteran Share Posted January 6, 2007 I'm hoping for some sort of trade-in system. You and me both. Sad thing is I say we need to keep hoping, as there is almost no way in hell a trade in system would be put in place. It "mathematically speaking" makes no sense at all to do. They lost money on every original console sold for at least 6 months or so right? If not longer? Now they finally at a point where they are supposedly making money with the current gen. Then they "upgrade" the system, and by doing so we have to assume towards the point of losing and/or not making much money again. So it makes no sense at all to in essence potentially "double" your lost profit line by implementing a trade-in system. Just no sense at all. I am not an economics major, in fact I am horrible at complicated math :rofl: but I can tell you it would be disastrous if they offered an upgrade system for their oh so precious bottom line profits. Hey, maybe a company who has always been willing to not make money on their console would be willing to do such an insane thing, but again, I just do not see it happening. Again this is all based on the fact this rumor is even true, but considering we now have 18 pages talking about how it might be, why not chime in. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphaPrime Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I'd say what MS will do: Drop the core console. Release updated premium with HDMI for $299. 120GB HDD separate buy-on.Catch the market. I hope so. :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joel Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I call BS. If this is true MS will have to do so in a way so that other users can access HDMI or they are going to have a very unhappy 10+ million user base. For this reason alone I don't believe it. For everyone who says this; do you really think every (or even the majority of) 360 owner even has a HDMI port? This is not a different argument than the one made about Sony's push for 1080p. The majority don't have the capability for that either. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 For everyone who says this; do you really think every (or even the majority of) 360 owner even has a HDMI port? This is not a different argument than the one made about Sony's push for 1080p. The majority don't have the capability for that either. And that's why it wouldn't hurt them to have a trade-in system for those few who can make use of HDMI. -Spenser Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCheese Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 What makes recent buyers deserve it more than all the other 360 owners? hmm good point. I only said that because MS did the same with Vista. I.e If I brought XP OEM a few weeks before Vista went RTM I would been entitled to a free upgrade. Now with those that had a launch 360 I could argue that you've already had a year to enjoy the console. But like my earlyer posts in this topic I don't think a year is a long enough time to have a console on the market before changing it vastly and adding new features such as this. Especially when they cost around ?300/400 Features such as this should only be added in a major next-gen update, playstation 4/xbox 720 whatever Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokkolm Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I'd say what MS will do: Drop the core console. Release updated premium with HDMI for $299. 120GB HDD separate buy-on.Catch the market. Or add HDMI along with internal HD-DVD and keep the $399 price tag. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted January 6, 2007 Veteran Share Posted January 6, 2007 Or add HDMI along with internal HD-DVD and keep the $399 price tag. Now that's just being unrealistic. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokkolm Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 (edited) Now that's just being unrealistic. I can dream ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TogaForComfort Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Let them, if they were stupid enough to buy it the day a console comes out, they deserve this! I got mine 2 weeks ago. Thats hardly when they first came out. Anyhow, If this is true im not all that bothered. My Plasma has Component and HDMI as most Hign def screens do, I will not be using my 360 for Movies other than via Media Center. You can still get games in 720p and 1080i/1080p (If they keep to their word and release games at this resolution) Any one serious about watching HD DVD at 1080 would not have got a 360 so far due to the lack of HDMI / HDCP . Although I can understand people being annoyed about the possibility of a v2 with HDMI I don't really see an issue Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
v0ltage789 Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 There isnt on the current 360, it all goes through the large connector above the HDMI.Plus HDMI carries video and audio so why would there be audio outputs on the back? Because most people that are concerned with HDMI arent going to use the audio on their television, but most likely a seperate receiver using optical out. For everyone who says this; do you really think every (or even the majority of) 360 owner even has a HDMI port? This is not a different argument than the one made about Sony's push for 1080p. The majority don't have the capability for that either. Yes considering 90 percent of all decent HDTV's have either a DVI or HDMI port. Better quality is achieved using HDMI over Component, even if you arent talking about 1080p. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Because most people that are concerned with HDMI arent going to use the audio on their television, but most likely a seperate receiver using optical out.Yes considering 90 percent of all decent HDTV's have either a DVI or HDMI port. Better quality is achieved using HDMI over Component, even if you arent talking about 1080p. I'm thinkin if these pics are true, that HDMI is going to be proprietary anyways, with an AV connector that plugs into the HDMI port and the normal AV port simulatneously - that'd give people optical out. As for the second part - you could just get a TV that supports 1080p through VGA. Word from MS is that there is no difference in quality between HDMI and VGA 1080p when they tested it. -Spenser Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalsoft Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 im also glad i waited, another point to microsoft in my sony or microsoft console decision :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mukati Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 (edited) You guys think if MS releases this 'so called' Xbox 360 v2 in november 2007, it would be fair? I certainly think 2 years is not a bad wait to update a console! And they could do what they did with Vista. If you've 'recently' bought XP, you are entitled to a free upgrade. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pc_Madness Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 And they could do what they did with Vista. If you've 'recently' bought XP, you are entitled to a free upgrade. I don't think MS would want to be stuck with all those old consoles which it'll have little use for. Abit of a waste of money. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToneKnee Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 I don't think MS would want to be stuck with all those old consoles which it'll have little use for. Abit of a waste of money. Those consoles (if they are in working condition) can be used for refurbishments. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGSPro Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 Gamestop will have a trade up program im sure. Just more consoles on the market. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/527260-xbox-360-v2-codename-zephyr/page/11/#findComment-588199816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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