lind1089 Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 My college has recently implemented what they call "network packet shaping"... It has effectively made all my P2P programs get around 1k/s. So what exactly is this and futhor more can I get around it at all? Setting up a proxy at my house and routing throught that... anything? Help me out... please... this no downloading this is driving me crazy. :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane-UK Veteran Posted December 4, 2002 Veteran Share Posted December 4, 2002 To be honest, its pretty unlikely you will be able to circumvent packet shaping... Its usually configured on the core network switch, or on the router which is the route your machine will take before it gets out on the network.. I'd say you are pretty boned. Though you might do well to get on the net and find out some more information on it - once you understand how it works, you might be able to look at ways around it on your network (if indeed there are any ways!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpoinacan Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Hi Go here http://www.computerworld.com/networkingtop...1,63351,00.html and read the whole sad story. Heh, good luck getting by that. Make sure you click on the packet shaping hardware link if you still want more grief. :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cub-x Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 you might get around with a VPN connection.. don't know.. never heard of packet shaping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Read about QoS related to ATM / Ethernet (specifically RSvP, MPLS etc). Its all about ensuring the right traffic gets routed fastest. You wont be able to circumvent it, so you may as well actually do some work at college :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cub-x Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 yeah, if you can make a secured VPN connection with your home-pc, it might be possible to get around this. But it may also do the reverse; e.g. lowest priority to unknown and VPN packets. or even better; high priority to VPN packets. try it.. but don't blame me if you get caught, they most probably won't like this For setting up VPN's, go visit google and google groups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Bare in mind a vpn is nothing more than point to point encryption, and encryption of any form will get you in poop. You could somehow enbed the p2p packets inside the data section of a high priority service's packets like streaming media / VoIP, route them to a machine at home, which then takes the data section and reroutes it to the target location, and the same for returning packets. Complicated tho, and I dunno how u'd go about it. //edit : I did NOT use the word poop btw, autocorrect. damit. :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick0142 Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 My college has recently implemented what they call "network packet shaping"... It has effectively made all my P2P programs get around 1k/s. So what exactly is this and futhor more can I get around it at all? Setting up a proxy at my house and routing throught that... anything? Help me out... please... this no downloading this is driving me crazy. :cry: yeah, you think you have it bad.. i can't even keep the minimum download speed on most mirc bots, because i start at 15k/s, then slowly drop to 0k/s. my school has done the same thing as yours, and it really really blows. what to do, what to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abysal Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Your post have been removed....Please do not circumvent the swear filter with your "***" astericks, if i see it again a warning will be placed on your acct. Thank You. -xStainDx n|w Moderator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 My college has also had a packet shaper for about a year now. They figured they had to get one when they saw that users were generally getting lower than 56k speeds on the college's OC-3 connection. I am actually a big supporter of this. I hardly ever (like once a month) use P2P software, so it doesn't really affect me. About a month ago, the Packeteer broke. This caused insane problems on campus, as Kazaa is normally only allowed like 20-30% of the total bandwidth. When it broke, Kazaa was using 98% of the bandwidth. At that speed, it would take about 10-15 tries for me to get to read my email, and I had to keep reloading every single web page that I opened, because it would time out from the low speed. This actually lasted about a week. I have three classes where email and use of the Internet are mandatory. You can only imagine how students in those classes felt. The professors had to give us extensions on any assignments due that week. I heard speeds on Kazaa were incredible during that week though; I gave an angry snarl at every Kazaa user I know. I actually did a bandwidth test during that week, and it was something around 2 kilobytes/sec download speed, and identical upload speed. The bandwidth test took about 15 minutes to complete! After about a week of suffering, they finally received a new Packeteer, and finally ended the torture. That week, I cannot say that I was surfing the Internet, as it simply wasn't fast enough for that. I would say it was more like wading in the water, or getting my feet wet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 I truely believe that kinda of traffic shapping solution is firefighting, not tackling the CAUSE of the problem. Users (especially at a school/college) should be presented with a totally locked down destop. There is no real reason to need to install software on any of the machines, so it can be prevented using group policy etc. A standard desktop OS build should be investigated and developed, allowing pc's to be rebuilt from a smart image on any hardware configuration, remotely, in under 20minutes, and this build should be as secure as possible. Access to office, and standard net apps, but why the hell are you allowed to install kazaa?????? I often think the IT staff at colleges / schools are nufin more than BTEC students who had nothing better to do once they finished.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypercube Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Well the uni should install deepfreeze so the students can do all that they want but will have the changes lost next reboot :woot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatter Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 I truely believe that kinda of traffic shapping solution is firefighting, not tackling the CAUSE of the problem.Users (especially at a school/college) should be presented with a totally locked down destop. There is no real reason to need to install software on any of the machines, so it can be prevented using group policy etc. A standard desktop OS build should be investigated and developed, allowing pc's to be rebuilt from a smart image on any hardware configuration, remotely, in under 20minutes, and this build should be as secure as possible. Access to office, and standard net apps, but why the hell are you allowed to install kazaa?????? I often think the IT staff at colleges / schools are nufin more than BTEC students who had nothing better to do once they finished.... So the students have no control over their own computer? No thank you. Different students have different needs. Not all of them use Windows. Packet shaping is the best solution to the problem as it just gives PRIORITY to legitimate traffic. Kazaa or whatever other crap students install can be given the lowest priortity and if the students complain, its their own problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Different students have different needs which are cattered for by different departments.... If you want students to f*ck with pc's constantly, wasting a hell a lot of your time, then do it your way, or listen to a voice of experience, and do it a proven way. Your choice, but I suspect your talking from the students point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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