family guy Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 As for 4,000$ - what about small businesses with say 25 employees that have a single Windows 2000 small business server and Exchange? 4k$ just so their mail won't go bonkers over it? They can manually change the time. It's not that difficult. Larger corporations though, it would take a while and they would probably just buy the fix. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
webeagle12 Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 pay for $4000 for a update + $500 for every other fix that applies to this update :laugh: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted March 1, 2007 Global Moderator Share Posted March 1, 2007 This is what happens when you work with an old OS as Win2k, when they didn't do SP5 it was a sign, time to update, PCs are pretty cheap, I know small business with 25 PC's might not have the hardware to run XP or even Vista, but seriouslly, a basic work only oriented PC goes for $400-$500, If you don't have the money to upgrade all 25 of them just do it slowlly over time. You're a small "business" so you are making money right? And for home users, Win2k is 7 years old, the PC you're running it on is probably older than that, you can upgrade you know, people get a new car around that age also. If you don't want to go all out just get a cheaper one, whole packs with screen and printer go for $500. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
markwolfe Veteran Posted March 1, 2007 Veteran Share Posted March 1, 2007 I guess Microsoft has these companies (and charitable non-profits, etc.) by the gonads. They should just thank Microsoft for not charging $40,000 each! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaKeY Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Individuals technically shouldn't be running 2000 as it was never designed as a consumer aimed OS. I bought my copy at WALMART. Doesnt get much more consumer aimed than that lol. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budious Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 I bought my copy at WALMART. Doesnt get much more consumer aimed than that lol. Totally agree, there were as many home users of 2000 Professional as there are home users of XP Professional. 2000 Professional is the only Microsoft retail boxed operating system that I have ever purchased and did so at the time from Office Depot. A lot of people were tired of the instability of 98/ME and looking for something reliable to game on, Windows 2000 offered that before XP release and a lot of home consumers made the switch. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XerXis Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 is it so hard to change the date by hand? and for big companies where changing by hand is impossible 4000$ is nothing Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
struct Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 I don't see why this is such a big deal. Considering that MS dropped the cost of the patch for it, they put out manual patching instructions, and there are a plethora of unofficial patches out there. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosine Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Sounds good to me. No point in supporting legacy, just pulls you backwards. Oh, please. The differences between XP and 2000 more or less come down to a coat of ugly paint. If 2000 is "legacy" then so is XP. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ark Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Well I'd rather pay $4000 than the previous $40,000 cost. It's corporate support pricing people. This to companies would be seen as a bargain, not a rip off. Well said! They can manually change the time. It's not that difficult. Larger corporations though, it would take a while and they would probably just buy the fix. is it so hard to change the date by hand? and for big companies where changing by hand is impossible 4000$ is nothing Its not the issue of computer time here.. the clock thats displayed in the taskbar is easy to update... but for corporate clients, people use Outlook and professionals take the calender feature seriously because I can send an email as a calendar event and it is automatically added to the calendar... many meetings and whatever else there is will get messed up because it would be VERY unprofessional for a successful company to tell their workers to just keep in their minds that DST started already.. Not everyone is going to remember and what kind of a company is it when they cant afford a $4000 patch? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
studio57lie Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Oh, please. The differences between XP and 2000 more or less come down to a coat of ugly paint. If 2000 is "legacy" then so is XP. how do u figure theyre that similar? xp has so much more than a different appearance. also, i dont understand why xp can be upgraded with multiple hotfixes, security updates, and two service packs, but you cant put some code to change the time/date? maybe i dont completely understand but this doesnt make much sense to me Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosine Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 how do u figure theyre that similar? xp has so much more than a different appearance. Because XP, especially before SP2, was more or less 2000? XP was a .1 version increase compared to 2000 (NT 5.0 vs. NT 5.1). The actual differences under the hood between the two versions was probably close to nil before SP2, aside from the fact that XP was dumbed-down for computer illiterate people. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588361833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted March 2, 2007 Veteran Share Posted March 2, 2007 lol! That made my day. The people that make these decisions at MS are so out of touch with reality. Are they? How long do you think Microsoft should support, for free, products with updates like this? Especially non-security updates that very few people are ever going to notice or care about. $4,000 may seem ridiculous, but you've got to consider what it costs to make that patch, test it, distribute it, and support it. It's not worth it for Microsoft to invest in a fix for products that old unless someone is willing to pay the cost of doing it. Because XP, especially before SP2, was more or less 2000? XP was a .1 version increase compared to 2000 (NT 5.0 vs. NT 5.1). The actual differences under the hood between the two versions was probably close to nil before SP2, aside from the fact that XP was dumbed-down for computer illiterate people. That's a pretty ridiculous thing to say. Yeah, I'd agree they're more similar than NT4 and 2000, or Windows XP and Windows Vista. But saying the differences under the hood were "probably close to nil" is a completely ignorant comment. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588362075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
betax Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Sounds like extortion to me, a lot of companies run Windows 2k for certain appliance platforms (such as a device to mange/control air conditioners; machines that required absolutely no access to the internet and run for years. Is it really the customer's fault that the daylight savings time had to be adjusted? I still feel like it was a silly decision in the fist place. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588362236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ark Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Is it really the customer's fault that the daylight savings time had to be adjusted? I still feel like it was a silly decision in the fist place. I mean.. if we wanna go around trying to find a party to blame, lets blame the Bush Administration for doing it.. You can't really blame the companies either if you think that its not the customer's fault. Because there is nothing a company could have done in say 2000 to predict that the DST is gonna start like a month early.. So yeah... technically Microsoft doesn't even have to do it, but they are doing it for the customer and if the customer wants it, they have to pay for it... and when I say customer in the last couple of references, I mean companies and not individuals... If an individual is still using Windows 2000, then he/she probably doesn't do enough with times and things that might mess up their schedules and what not.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588362366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy1 Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Is it really the customer's fault that the daylight savings time had to be adjusted? It's not the customer's fault, but it's not Microsoft's fault either. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588362532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack 0Neill Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 They should have simply done away with DST, as it's pointless in this day and age. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/542713-ms-4000-for-daylight-saving-fix/page/2/#findComment-588363680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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