ThePitt Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 (edited) The author of the Windows Vista keygen that was reported yesterday has admitted that the program does not actually work. Here is the initial announcement of the original release of the keygen, and here is the followup post in which the same author acknowledges that the program is fake. Apparently, the keygen program does legitimately attack Windows Vista keys via brute force, but the chances of success are too low for this to be a practical method. Quote from the author: 'Everyone who said they got a key is probably lying or mistaken! Source removed due to warez. Edited March 3, 2007 by shockz Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 awwwwwwwww :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588365723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 he isnt just covering his own back now is he? This comes after he said the "exploit" was discovered as an accident while he practiced his coding *cough* Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588365729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted March 3, 2007 Veteran Share Posted March 3, 2007 hahaha Yeah brute force will work, but it will take forever, it would be quicker to get a job delivering pizza's and earn enough to buy it legally. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588365734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
br_ Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 technically, it could theoretically get the right key the first time it tries it and could theoretically get the right key in a year. the reason why it because it uses random keys and just sees if they work. the chances, however, of it working are very slim. the reason why is because it tests all letters a-z and all numbers 0-9 (last i checked. the product keys don't use all of those so it might've been modified not to). that gives it 3625=808281277000000000000000000000000000000 possible keys. now it's not gonna test them all, but at least an xp key has many less characters. iirc, it only uses 26, so that means 2625=236773830000000000000000000000000000 combinations. it's a much smaller number. that leaves us with 808044503000000000000000000000000000000 keys that, if vista uses the same character set as xp, are definitely invalid. if it's left to run forever, however it will check them. not only that, but it's much more complex than just having the right letters, of course, so there's not nearly that many valid keys, making the number of invalid ones much bigger. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588365788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larney Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 There are OEM "hacks" coming out now anyway so some worthless little bruteforce keygen is quickly going to become unpopular. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588365883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gertin Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 There are OEM "hacks" coming out now anyway so some worthless little bruteforce keygen is quickly going to become unpopular.The OEM hack is also 100% working and it only takes like 5 minutes to apply it. Vista even passes WGA afterwards. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588365942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XerXis Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 yeah well, who believed that anyways :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588365949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas-c Veteran Posted March 3, 2007 Veteran Share Posted March 3, 2007 the "bruteforce" crack is a fake... not that i have been researching or anything Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588365954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamend Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 technically, it could theoretically get the right key the first time it tries it and could theoretically get the right key in a year. the reason why it because it uses random keys and just sees if they work. the chances, however, of it working are very slim. the reason why is because it tests all letters a-z and all numbers 0-9 (last i checked. the product keys don't use all of those so it might've been modified not to). that gives it 3625=808281277000000000000000000000000000000 possible keys. now it's not gonna test them all, but at least an xp key has many less characters. iirc, it only uses 26, so that means 2625=236773830000000000000000000000000000 combinations. it's a much smaller number. that leaves us with 808044503000000000000000000000000000000 keys that, if vista uses the same character set as xp, are definitely invalid. if it's left to run forever, however it will check them. not only that, but it's much more complex than just having the right letters, of course, so there's not nearly that many valid keys, making the number of invalid ones much bigger. There are only 24 possible characters per digit in a Vista key, so it's more like. 24^25 = 3.20096586 * 10^34 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588365966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzap Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Why would users report that they tried and successfully got the key if they didn't? I wouldn't see the point of users lying about it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588366737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olemus Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Why are people boggling my mind with maths ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh run away mathss Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588366741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toology Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Why would users report that they tried and successfully got the key if they didn't? I wouldn't see the point of users lying about it. They could lie just be be bragging pricks. "OLOOL!!!111! iN j00r f4c3 m$11!!!" It's sad but it's very probable. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588366747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzap Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Bragging that they used someone else's method and it worked? I don't really see anything to brag about there... but you're probably right. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588366783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Heh, I thought it sounded weird in that other thread where I brought up the math example... There's just so insanely many combinations with these characters and one of 36 (26+10) values for each character, that the few MS may have actually activated is like a drop in the ocean. There are only 24 possible characters per digit in a Vista key, so it's more like.24^25 = 3.20096586 * 10^34 Hm, do they only use 14-16 letters in the alphabet or so? I can imagine 0 and 1 of the digits are skipped due to similarity with O and I. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588366901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trong Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Heh, I thought it sounded weird in that other thread where I brought up the math example... There's just so insanely many combinations with these characters and one of 36 (26+10) values for each character, that the few MS may have actually activated is like a drop in the ocean.There's 26 letters (uppercase A-Z), and then you have 0-9 for 10 more, for 36 in total. At least the keys I've seen seem to suggest there can be either of A-Z and either of 0-9 in any position. No, MS doesn't use all of them. I know they seem to like Z and Q a lot though. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588366912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCobra Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 There are OEM "hacks" coming out now anyway so some worthless little bruteforce keygen is quickly going to become unpopular. The OEM hack is also 100% working and it only takes like 5 minutes to apply it. Vista even passes WGA afterwards. All you need is a modified BIOS with the proper id tables applied to it, an OEM key and the OEM license file from the disc and it passes WGA and doesn't even need to be activated. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588366914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 No, MS doesn't use all of them. I know they seem to like Z and Q a lot though. OK, so they only use around 14-16 letters or so; like half the alphabet? Because they definitely use a number of digits. I can imagine 0 and 1 are skipped however. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588366917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikablu0530 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 All you need is a modified BIOS with the proper id tables applied to it, an OEM key and the OEM license file from the disc and it passes WGA and doesn't even need to be activated. Actually the latest OEM "hack" doesn't require actual modifications to the BIOS, it loads an OEM BIOS environment at boot. However it seems like it doesn't like laptops. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588367173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amrinders87 Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 All you need is a modified BIOS with the proper id tables applied to it, an OEM key and the OEM license file from the disc and it passes WGA and doesn't even need to be activated. OEM requires a license file? I thought it was just like usual, but difference license terms. Is the license so manufacturers like HP, Dell, etc. do not have to activate? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588367222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCobra Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 OEM requires a license file? I thought it was just like usual, but difference license terms. Is the license so manufacturers like HP, Dell, etc. do not have to activate? Yep. It works the same as if you had bought a Dell or another OEM system that doesn't need activation on the end users part. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588368943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Natan Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Actually the latest OEM "hack" doesn't require actual modifications to the BIOS, it loads an OEM BIOS environment at boot. However it seems like it doesn't like laptops. That method also disables floppy disk drive... New method installs a driver and fools Vista into thinking you have the required BIOS table. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588368991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoneAvail Posted March 4, 2007 Share Posted March 4, 2007 Ahh, this seems like a BIG one for Microsoft, First Time Stop thingy, and now this one. I guess the pirates are always ahead of us. I'm happy I have a legit Key and Don't have to worry about this. It's a big hassle if your trying to use a pirated software, one day it works, the next day, your system won't boot. Edit: wrong Topic to post at... lol... I was going to post one in the OEM thingy. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588369353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tantawi Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 I knew it :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/543286-windows-vista-keygen-a-hoax/#findComment-588369717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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