M118LR Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 http://www.windowsitpro.com/windowspaulthu...rott_95725.html And What About Windows XP Service Pack 3? And while I'm ranting a bit, let's dredge up Windows XP Service Pack 3, which was delayed from 2005 to 2006 to 2007 and now to 2008. If you were looking for any glimpse into the mind of Microsoft, this is it: The company has completely abandoned Windows XP, and it has absolutely no plans to ever ship an XP SP3. My guess is that Microsoft will do what it did with the final Windows 2000 Service Pack: Claim years later that it's no longer needed and just ship a final security patch roll-up. This is the worst kiss-off to any Microsoft product I've ever seen, and you'd think the company would show a little more respect to its best-selling OS of all time. But the reality is, Microsoft is looking ahead to new revenue and not behind to money that's already in the bank. And though hundreds of millions of people will be running XP for years to come, despite Microsoft's best efforts at selling them a later Windows version, the company has absolutely no plans to actually support those customers. This flies in the face of its publicly-stated life cycle support plans. And it really freaks me out. It should freak you out as well. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lasker Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Well, Windows XP already is a old OS, is seven years old and I think is time to move up to Vista Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesmithg Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Well, Windows XP already is a old OS, is seven years old and I think is time to move up to Vista XP will be officially 6 in October. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrKuro Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 (edited) SP3 . . not a huge deal to me, my xp pro sp2 installs are running just fine as is, what can a new service pack bring to the table, the OS is stable, and performance is great. Xp is great right now until I eventually transition everything over to vista (mature drivers and probably until SP1, yes this OS needs to get a service pack for bug fixes/performance/security issues, while xp is pretty complete as is) Plus right now, I haven't bought new hardware yet (dx10) , and there aren't any must have vista only games/apps to make me switch just yet Improve the new OS, transition away from xp . . sounds about right to me Edited April 6, 2007 by cooljerk_dv Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazX_Napalm Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 It should freak you out as well. Why? Is there something magic that MS will include in SP3 that would improve the OS that much? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightmarE D Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I take anything he says with a very, VERY small grain of salt. He also says he's guessing this is what's going to happen. A lot of times when he has to guess he's wrong anyway. I lost any respect I had for him when he: 1.) Wanted everyone to boycott IE 7 simply because HE didn't like the original beta 2.) When he got busted using a pirated copy of XP and changed his story around a few times about why he was using it. "I didn't know" then "I knew the whole time" then "I bought it from a shifty online store" 3.) He uses little photos of his face as a rating system. He thinks way too highly of himself It's pretty obvious I can't stand the guy :laugh: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramesees Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 The only real reason to have an SP3 is to make it easier to install XP with any and all updates released since summer 2004 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravensworth Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Flawed reasoning, the installed user base of XP (both a consumer and business OS) dwarfs that of the earlier business only NT versions. To say that Microsoft is not going to release SP3 is just speculation. Why? Is there something magic that MS will include in SP3 that would improve the OS that much? The ability to slipstream it into the install CD, or even install it on an existing installation without having to download a billion freaking hot fixes would be a pretty huge improvement in my book. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuffgong4 Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 nlite and to integrate easier http://www.ryanvm.net/msfn/ it's ryanvm's update pack...slipstream and make life about 45 minutes shorter. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OhMuffin Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Too bad... Some of us are forced to stick with XP due to Vista NOT SUPPORTING my damn SATA HDD or chisept and giving me a BSOD on install! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
backdrifter Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Flawed reasoning, the installed user base of XP (both a consumer and business OS) dwarfs that of the earlier business only NT versions. To say that Microsoft is not going to release SP3 is just speculation.The ability to slipstream it into the install CD, or even install it on an existing installation without having to download a billion freaking hot fixes would be a pretty huge improvement in my book. They would probably release a security roll-up including all fixes released so far, so that wouldn't be problem. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WooSH Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 ^ @Ohmuffin i just installed vista this week with a brand new fresh Western Digital SATA II Hard Drive. and so have countless of other people. infact mainly all new pcs are moving away from the old IDE standard and now moving to SATA. i dont think its a problem with the SATA part. maybe a bad hardrive? also i had no problems installing vista, except for my sound drivers, which i was able to locate from DELL and install under "compatibility mode" and it runs great. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravensworth Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Those integrator things are not as good as a fully tested service pack. Not even remotely. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLien_0 Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 SP3 would be nice or at least a package with all of the updates since sp2. I mean I had to reformat my friends dell last week and it had sp2 preinstalled but in order to get on the schools network it had to have all the current updates installed which took hours. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thollian Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 according to Microsoft's own website, SP3 is still planned for Windows XP in 2008. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathSniper Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I take anything he says with a very, VERY small grain of salt. He also says he's guessing this is what's going to happen. A lot of times when he has to guess he's wrong anyway. I lost any respect I had for him when he: 1.) Wanted everyone to boycott IE 7 simply because HE didn't like the original beta 2.) When he got busted using a pirated copy of XP and changed his story around a few times about why he was using it. "I didn't know" then "I knew the whole time" then "I bought it from a shifty online store" 3.) He uses little photos of his face as a rating system. He thinks way too highly of himself It's pretty obvious I can't stand the guy :laugh: Bravo!! :-) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1369 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 (edited) Okay, if this was true, it would really **** me off. However, it is only spectulation. My gut feeling is Microsoft will release XP SP3. He didn't say Microsoft would actually cut us off with XP SP3, just that he THINKS they will, because SP3 kept getting delayed. But, if memory serves me correctly, Windows 2000 still got plenty of SP's after XP was released, and Microsoft had focus on XP, but they still focused on 2000 and even 98/Me for a short time after XP. So, if history indicates correctly, XP will still receive updates and a SP3, but right now Microsoft is focusing mostly on Vista. Make sense? I could be wrong, though, so don't take my words as pure gold. Just my 2 pennies. EDIT: I looked this up on the web, and while the article is out of date, this pretty much makes sense: "There could be another reason, according to Rob Enderle, principle analyst with The Enderle Group: Microsoft doesn't want to promote XP. 'They want to put all the focus on Vista and not have an XP service pack come out in a Vista launch year,' he said. 'If they do a major refresh during the launch of a new OS, then people will get confused. They want the message to be clear, to move the customer to Vista and not patch XP.' " (Source: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3639101) So, right now, the focus on Vista is more bigger... but once people get used to Vista, which is a year later from now, in 2008, then Microsoft will bring back some focus on XP and focus on cleaning out XP issues. Edited April 7, 2007 by Andy13 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolph Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 XP is awesome. If they brought out Service Pack 3, it would only make it alot better. XP > Vista any day. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1369 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Okay, if this was true, it would really **** me off. However, it is only spectulation. My gut feeling is Microsoft will release XP SP3. He didn't say Microsoft would actually cut us off with XP SP3, just that he THINKS they will, because SP3 kept getting delayed. But, if memory serves me correctly, Windows 2000 still got plenty of SP's after XP was released, and Microsoft had focus on XP, but they still focused on 2000 and even 98/Me for a short time after XP. So, if history indicates correctly, XP will still receive updates and a SP3, but right now Microsoft is focusing mostly on Vista. Make sense?I could be wrong, though, so don't take my words as pure gold. Just my 2 pennies. EDIT: I looked this up on the web, and while the article is out of date, this pretty much makes sense: "There could be another reason, according to Rob Enderle, principle analyst with The Enderle Group: Microsoft doesn't want to promote XP. 'They want to put all the focus on Vista and not have an XP service pack come out in a Vista launch year,' he said. 'If they do a major refresh during the launch of a new OS, then people will get confused. They want the message to be clear, to move the customer to Vista and not patch XP.' " (Source: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3639101) So, right now, the focus on Vista is more bigger... but once people get used to Vista, which is a year later from now, in 2008, then Microsoft will bring back some focus on XP and focus on cleaning out XP issues. Suggestion: Can a moderator perhaps move this thread to the BACK PAGE NEWS thread? It would gather a lot more attention there? Just an idea. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fkid Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 XP is awesome. If they brought out Service Pack 3, it would only make it alot better.XP > Vista any day. Saying that XP > Vista is analogous to young males who claim their "pimped out" Skyline or Civic is better than some senior citizen's Rolls Royce or Bentley. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1369 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Oh, and maybe I would suggest that a moderator can move this to the BACK PAGE NEWS area? It would gather a lot more attention there? Just an idea. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravensworth Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Saying that XP > Vista is analogous to young males who claim their "pimped out" Skyline or Civic is better than some senior citizen's Rolls Royce or Bentley. No, it just means they like XP better than Vista. People are allowed to have different opinions. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Frothy Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Its clear to me now that Vista is far superior to Windows XP. However, I am disappointed that SP3 won't be happening. I think that just shows that Microsoft is really trying to kill of Windows XP and encourage Vista sales - which I don't blame them for doing. After all they are a business and not a charity, supporting an operating system released in 2001 in 2007 --> 200? is not great business for Microsoft. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrivenDaily Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 No, it just means they like XP better than Vista. People are allowed to have different opinions. Really the only thing that Vista is suffering from is shoddy drivers (nVidia and Creative to name a few). I think once those problems get sorted out most people will migrate as the OS itself is an improvement over XP. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad87 Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Really the only thing that Vista is suffering from is shoddy drivers (nVidia and Creative to name a few). I think once those problems get sorted out most people will migrate as the OS itself is an improvement over XP. I am a CNC machinist, and thus far i have attempted to launch my MasterCam 9.1 software on vista and it tells me about known compatibility issues. So i shrugged it off, and decided to play some diablo 2 or starcraft (my 2 favourite games) and i got a similar message about both, accompaied with their refusal to run. Im sure vista is a quality operating system, and there are probably workarounds or driver fixes needed on my part, but i migrated back to xp because of this issue. To me its just not worth the time and effort to fix my software on a new os, when i can spend the time using my software on an old os Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/551846-paul-t-says-xp-sp3-will-not-happen/#findComment-588457810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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