Samboini Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 (edited) We can't really comment until we fully appreciate what is occuring here, however if this is not as Prestige only problem, i.e. a widespread BD one, this will **** them up no end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigapixels Veteran Posted June 17, 2007 Veteran Share Posted June 17, 2007 Like I said, even if this isn't that big of a deal, if the media gets a hold of the story and blows it way out of proportion, then Blu-ray will have a hard time recovering from it. It doesn't matter what the truth is as long as there's a small doubt in the back of a consumer's mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted June 17, 2007 Veteran Share Posted June 17, 2007 For those confused or have no idea who owns Blu-Ray, this will help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 (edited) Personally, I don't want either format to win. I don't see them as being a big enough leap from DVD to be worth the bother to upgrade. I mean, CD's to DVD's was a HUGE leap, more than 10x the space (with dual layers, that is). I think for a new format to be really worthwhile, it should be a similar jump because even with 25Gb of space, you still have to compress everything. Although in saying that, a lot of HD-DVD's and Blu-ray disks only have DVD quality stuff on them anyway (usually the extras and such). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green_Eye Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 For those confused or have no idea who owns Blu-Ray, this will help you out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association Damn diggidy thats a butt load of supporters they got there :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Star Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Its only one movie. There was a slip up prob. Human error. Its not Sony's fault. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 What is actually coated on these disc's to cause the rotting ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 There was a slip up prob. Human error. Its not Sony's fault. Where is the evidence for that? I don't think this is a serious issue but making points up to defend them is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason S. Global Moderator Posted June 17, 2007 Global Moderator Share Posted June 17, 2007 Personally, I don't want either format to win. I don't see them as being a big enough leap from DVD to be worth the bother to upgrade.I mean, CD's to DVD's was a HUGE leap, more than 10x the space (with dual layers, that is). I think for a new format to be really worthwhile, it should be a similar jump because even with 25Gb of space, you still have to compress everything. Although in saying that, a lot of HD-DVD's and Blu-ray disks only have DVD quality stuff on them anyway (usually the extras and such). even w/ holographic storage, you still need to compress the video. it's simply too big uncompressed. and what you said in the first paragraph is redundant everytime new tech. comes out. remember when we thought we'd never need a 1GB hard drive? who needs a cpu faster than 500MHz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samboini Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 What is actually coated on these disc's to cause the rotting ? I've heard it was agar jelly :ninja: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 I'm aware of the size of completely uncompressed digital video, but my main point was that even Blu-ray is little over twice the storage space of a DVD9. Even if it was dual layer, it's still only about 4 or 5 times the space increase, doesn't really justify upgrading from DVD, which hasn't really been pushed to it's limits for anything other than High-resolution Video (and even that is a sketchy one for a lot of released stuff). I think I, and most other people, are happy enough with DVD's at the moment. I mean HD-TV's themselves are still in their relative infancy when compared to the market for SD TV's. Eventually that'll change, but until it does the only real potential market for either of the HD formats lies within that same HD-TV market, so it's going to be YEARS before either one of them has a hope of overtaking DVD. And in that time, a new format could be researched, developed and ratified, possibly even the mentioned holographic technology, that would make much more sense to upgrade to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlydread Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 My god people, it was a small batch of one freakin movie. its not the nail in the coffin for Sony. Get over it you Blu-Ray haters. I'll be happy when either HDdvd or BluRay win, so this damn arguing will cease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samboini Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 (edited) I'm aware of the size of completely uncompressed digital video, but my main point was that even Blu-ray is little over twice the storage space of a DVD9. Even if it was dual layer, it's still only about 4 or 5 times the space increase, doesn't really justify upgrading from DVD, which hasn't really been pushed to it's limits for anything other than High-resolution Video (and even that is a sketchy one for a lot of released stuff).I think I, and most other people, are happy enough with DVD's at the moment. I mean HD-TV's themselves are still in their relative infancy when compared to the market for SD TV's. Eventually that'll change, but until it does the only real potential market for either of the HD formats lies within that same HD-TV market, so it's going to be YEARS before either one of them has a hope of overtaking DVD. And in that time, a new format could be researched, developed and ratified, possibly even the mentioned holographic technology, that would make much more sense to upgrade to. I appreciate what you are saying but you can't feasibly put off upgrading technology forever! Technology moves at such a quick rate now that one would expect to lose at least a couple of grand every couple of years (ballpark figure, don't flame!) As an example, you might be interested in this, I know I am; Ultra High Definition Video! What next, uber super mega HD? :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlydread Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 I'm aware of the size of completely uncompressed digital video, but my main point was that even Blu-ray is little over twice the storage space of a DVD9. Even if it was dual layer, it's still only about 4 or 5 times the space increase, doesn't really justify upgrading from DVD, which hasn't really been pushed to it's limits for anything other than High-resolution Video (and even that is a sketchy one for a lot of released stuff).I think I, and most other people, are happy enough with DVD's at the moment. I mean HD-TV's themselves are still in their relative infancy when compared to the market for SD TV's. Eventually that'll change, but until it does the only real potential market for either of the HD formats lies within that same HD-TV market, so it's going to be YEARS before either one of them has a hope of overtaking DVD. And in that time, a new format could be researched, developed and ratified, possibly even the mentioned holographic technology, that would make much more sense to upgrade to. Its alot more than 2x the space of a DVD9. get your facts straight before you decide to bash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Great. I want HD-DVD to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Its alot more than 2x the space of a DVD9. get your facts straight before you decide to bash. I'm not bashing a thing, i'm just comparing the differences.... A DVD9 is about 9Gb (it's a bit less than that, I know), so 2x that is 18Gb. 3x that is 27Gb, more than a Blu-Ray disk, so I said it's a little more than 2x the space, I could have said "it's a little less than 3x the space", it wouldn't have made a difference, I was just speaking generally because that was all I needed. Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purple Haze Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Either way, if a format doesn't win soon, both may lose. People don't wanna be stuck w/ the next Betamax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theyarecomingforyou Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 3x that is 27Gb, more than a Blu-Ray disk, so I said it's a little more than 2x the space Blu-Ray is 50GB for the dual-layer discs, with discs up to 200GB round the corner. Your arguement is completely flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironsight2000 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 both will lose in a year or two with HD space getting so cheap just put every thing on a flash card. just like the white strips and barenaked ladys did with their music the same could happen with dvds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlydread Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 (edited) Blu-Ray is 50GB for the dual-layer discs, with discs up to 200GB round the corner. Your arguement is completely flawed. Thanks for clarifying that. ;) I think he was talkin about the single layer, which isn't even used by most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Blu-Ray is 50GB for the dual-layer discs, with discs up to 200GB round the corner. Your arguement is completely flawed. I never said that a dual-layer Blu-ray disk was anything less than 50Gb and if you bothered to read what I posted, I mentioned that dual layer disks were twice as big as the standard ones.... My point is, neither format is worth the upgrade yet, disk capacity is only part of the reasoning why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toology Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 My point is, neither format is worth the upgrade yet, disk capacity is only part of the reasoning why. Yes, disc capacity that facilitates higher quality content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shof Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 i think someone messed up with the disc, like apply the deadly sun to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robgig1088 Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Yes, disc capacity that facilitates higher quality content.I'm with you on this one. The reason I'm a blu-ray supporter is because it's genuinely superior technology.As far as the article, get over it. All companies cut corners in some way. Need I remind you of the Polio vaccine? At least this time it's only plastic which I'm sure will be replaced upon confirmation of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shof Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 I'm with you on this one. The reason I'm a blu-ray supporter is because it's genuinely superior technology.As far as the article, get over it. All companies cut corners in some way. Need I remind you of the Polio vaccine? At least this time it's only plastic which I'm sure will be replaced upon confirmation of the problem. another possibility is that the company that makes these cds received a bad batch of plastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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