TruckWEB Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 The reasoning behind that rumor was cause Windows Seven is rumored to be a brand new OS from the ground up and would not support software from previous versions of Windows (i.e. no legacy support) however, it may supply some limited form of legacy support through virtualization. :wacko: Since this new version of "Windows" is supposed to be done for 2010, I'm not sure they have time to start from scratch.... Unless it's been in the work for the last couple of years... And would Microsoft really go ahead with a new OS incompatible with all the software available? Unless they "give" the virtualisation software and OS required to make "old" software work. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588826070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted September 4, 2007 Global Moderator Share Posted September 4, 2007 No way MS will have a totally new OS from scratch done and ready in 3 years. Maybe a smal alpha , if you're lucky. The thing is, insted of redoing everything, they've just be slowlly redoing parts with each new release. The kernel and core bits are solid, all the core NT stuff. They've been making changes though, and you see it in Vista. The totally new sound system is one thing, the new tcp/ip stack is also one. new memory manager, new driver model and so on. This breaks compatibility to an extent, and you see it already with Vista. I think Windows 7 will have even more changes and rewrites to the code but by then, they'll have a hypervisor in there. The hypervisor can run older apps in a VM of sorts on the spot without you even knowing it's doing so. All in the background, your apps should load and run just like native Windows 7 apps etc. That's the idea nayways. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588826212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalx Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 It won't start from scratch. I think this will be where Microsoft will start rolling down hill. Don't get me wrong i love windows and it's innovation up till now but i also believe things will be rolling over to simpler free orientated solutions and that provided by linux and others by mac/apple. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588826258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier1st Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 and ms is considering a subscription based model for windows 7=bad idea.that would force alot over to linux.subscriptions suck. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588827111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TruckWEB Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 and ms is considering a subscription based model for windows 7=bad idea.that would force alot over to linux.subscriptions suck. Linux is not the solution to all problems. With more than 90% of the WORLD running Windows/Office on the desktop, it's not easy for anybody to just trash Windows 7 and switch to Linux. It would take a massive/global switch to something else (Linux or Mac OS) before MS would take notice that something is wrong with their new subscription based OS. And don't forget, corporate/enterprise don't have to deal with "activation" or "subscription" when using VLC (Volume Licence). So maybe you, at home, will be ****ed by this subscription thing, but it will be business as usual for everybody else. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588827213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digitalx Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Linux is not the solution to all problems. isn't it ? it's not easy for anybody to just trash Windows 7 and switch to Linux. it's easier then you think. The only major let down linux has is in the gaming market and commercial application attention. I think though in time it'll come. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588827220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
argonite Posted September 4, 2007 Share Posted September 4, 2007 Linux is not the solution to all problems.isn't it ? Not really. Linux needs to really bump the quality of their programs up. All of them are "usable" but they all look rather ugly. Beryl isn't helping those programs much on my Ubuntu box. Some still require the command line. I thought we were past that. =( Anyway, I hope the hypervisor thing works out so MS can finally virtualize the legacy components of their OS and start from scratch, just like Mac OSX. Solid foundation, solid modules, and MS can probably win some confidence back in the security field. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588827248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t4ki0n Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Since this new version of "Windows" is supposed to be done for 2010, I'm not sure they have time to start from scratch.... Unless it's been in the work for the last couple of years... Actually Microsoft started this way back in around 1999 when they were working on Codename Whistler (Windows XP). It was known as Codename Blackcomb and I remember it was announced as being written from scratch because I made a mock screenshot of Windows 1.03 components :p This will indeed be different: with a new technological architecture (i.e. a standard program won't have those extra .dll files and stuff, or at least it would be something different). Everything is designed to be componentized/modular. It can be done. The switch to UNIX for Mac OS X was basically writing the OS from scratch and it worked out okay for Apple. Who knows; Windows Seven could even become one of those OS's that hardly have any viruses in existence. Microsoft simply doesn't have the luxury to do certain things as it is, due to the current platform/framework that was at the core of Windows since its inception. This will therefore be revolutionary and a great opportunity. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588934333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 woohoo... im feeling like going to Vienna! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588934337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokkolm Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Windows Vista doesn't have a "Start" button. Its just an orb. Let me get this straight, to qualify as a button it has to be rectangular? It is a button, you click on it and it does something! :no: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588934439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsnotabigtruck Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Windows Vista doesn't have a "Start" button. Its just an orb. It's still a button, and it's still called "Start". See what it says if you hover your mouse pointer over it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588934448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t4ki0n Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 An orb is a 3D spherical object... now unless i'm using 3D glasses and it is rendered to bulge out at me, it will always be the Start Orb button. see? nice and fair. the NAMING is Start Orb but it's classified as a button hahahha Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588934904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Hopefully Seven is the Vista we didn't get ;) exactly what I was going to say. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588934921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 i remember someone from microsoft saying that they had to leave out some fancy new file system from vista because they couldnt put it in in time,but they said it would be out in like the next windows... anything on that? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588935174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottKin Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 (edited) For more info on Windows 7, why not go directly to the source?!?! There is a blog-ticle on Long Zheng's always-excellent IStartedSomething website/blog about a presentation from Microsoft's Distinguished Engineer who formed the Core Virtual Machines Team, which is part of the Core OS Division, Eric Traut on Windows 7 and "MinWin". The WMV shows some very interesting ideas & concepts for Windows 7, Hypervisor and other Virtual Machine & Server methods. The Blog-ticle: http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071019/...indows-7-minwin The WMV: http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/conference/2007/vi...-RP07-Traut.wmv MS Corporate Bio on Eric Traut Enjoy! --ScottKin Edited October 21, 2007 by ScottKin Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588935229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottKin Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 i remember someone from microsoft saying that they had to leave out some fancy new file system from vista because they couldnt put it in in time,but they said it would be out in like the next windows... anything on that? "WinFS" is still in development and is slated to have a good portion of it's code implemented in future releases of SQL Server and ADO.NET. There is a fairly extensive write-up on Wikipedia on WinFS. There are also bunches of bits on WinFS on Channel9. --ScottKin Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588935247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mezoko Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I hope Vienna is 64bit only because this will force people to upgrade and developers will start writing code that only compiles on a 64bit machine. If both a 32bit and a 64bit come out, we will continue to be stuck in a time capsel in terms of software development. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588935556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Dee Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 I hope Vienna is 64bit only because this will force people to upgrade and developers will start writing code that only compiles on a 64bit machine. If both a 32bit and a 64bit come out, we will continue to be stuck in a time capsel in terms of software development. That makes no sense. Inconveniencing users and businesses is never the answer to make a quick buck. The consumer is always right, if it will take time to move to 64 bit, it will just have to take time. The 32 bit architecture has been around for the past 20 years, you just can't expect it to be destroyed on a whim or with the release of a new version of Windows. 64-Bit processors just came into the mainstream with the release of the AMD 64 in fall of 2003, it has been on the market for just 5 years, 64-bit Windows targeting the general consumer just came out in 2005 and had to include WOW64 layer to maintain compatibility with 32 bit applications because Microsoft realizes that you can't just uproot years of hard work and investment in a proven platform that millions of people depend on everyday. 64 bit will remain a transition and will gravitate to users where it is purely essential. Anyway, Microsoft has confirmed that Windows 7 will be available in 32 and 64 bit versions, and its not called Vienna either. https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...=575421&hl= People, you need to get out of this niche enthusiast tricked out 64 bit PC perfect world mentality. Thank goodness some of you don't work at Microsoft on these products or at Intel or AMD, or this whole place would be screwed up. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588935596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verge Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 For more info on Windows 7, why not go directly to the source?!?!There is a blog-ticle on Long Zheng's always-excellent IStartedSomething website/blog about a presentation from Microsoft's Distinguished Engineer who formed the Core Virtual Machines Team, which is part of the Core OS Division, Eric Traut on Windows 7 and "MinWin". The WMV shows some very interesting ideas & concepts for Windows 7, Hypervisor and other Virtual Machine & Server methods. The Blog-ticle: http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071019/...indows-7-minwin The WMV: http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/conference/2007/vi...-RP07-Traut.wmv MS Corporate Bio on Eric Traut Enjoy! --ScottKin i tried to download this friday when it came out... got 2.0k/sec so i got fed up and cancelled it tried to download today, got 11k/sec... let it go for a few hours, and download timed out... fired it up in opera so i could resume, 170k/sec.... does this seem odd to anybody else ? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588937604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted October 22, 2007 Global Moderator Share Posted October 22, 2007 WinFS isn't a File System though, it's a database like "Store" that works ontop of NTFS. MS won't just dump NTFS out the door and use something brand new outta nowhere. That said, the only problem that NTFS still has is that it can still fragment. MS should update it and add pro-active messures so that files don't fragment. It shouldn't be hard, and it won't mess with compatibility. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588938216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
exUBERance Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 For more info on Windows 7, why not go directly to the source?!?! oooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrr windowsvienna.com ;) XD Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588938226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottKin Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 i tried to download this friday when it came out... got 2.0k/sec so i got fed up and cancelled ittried to download today, got 11k/sec... let it go for a few hours, and download timed out... fired it up in opera so i could resume, 170k/sec.... does this seem odd to anybody else ? I'm sure that you've already done this, and I'm assuming a lot by saying that IE was the browser you used first...but have you checked for any weird BHOs or hidden add-ons to IE? --ScottKin Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588940005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simba49 Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Vista was a dissappointment for many buyer of this op. However, if you really look at it...vista is really changed from XP in a number of good way like: -The Internet settings -Parental controls -Bit Locker -Best of all..directx10.... But ANYWAYS... Yes i think windows "7" is going to be a turning point for microsoft. I also personally belive there will be a new windows media and new "ie8" when it comes out... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588963063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verge Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 I'm sure that you've already done this, and I'm assuming a lot by saying that IE was the browser you used first...but have you checked for any weird BHOs or hidden add-ons to IE?--ScottKin na, my ie is perfectly clean... now my download at 11k stopped, and i immediently restarted it with opera, maybe their server crashed/reset and i was the first one on, before the bandwidth started to die... i'm not sure, either way it sure went faster in opera.... makes no sense to me, i just thought it was ironic Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588972121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/13/2218259 https://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/1798...ly_feedback.png Cassius Corodes is one of many readers to point out that a recent "wishlist" of new Windows development features is floating around the net. This list was supposedly leaked from Microsoft and contains some of their key development features for the next version of Windows. Given that the next new Windows release is bound to be a long way off I would recommend seasoning this news with a hefty dose of sodium chloride. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/574006-windows-seven-vienna/page/3/#findComment-588992152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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