nekrosoft13 Posted July 30, 2007 Author Share Posted July 30, 2007 Can't you disable it at startup using F8? yes, but you have to do it every single time you start the computer. Its not pernament. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588740936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted July 30, 2007 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2007 Its not that bad then. Considering many people leave their PC's on 24/7, it won't be much of a hassle until a workaround is found. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588740947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshalus Veteran Posted July 30, 2007 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2007 Oh what the heck, I'll give it a whirl ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588740967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sniper101 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 (edited) Wow i must be lucky :D i just got a P4 2.66ghz installed and now microsoft are about to update vista HARDCORE STYLE :D i love my week :D Edited July 30, 2007 by Sniper101 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588740989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainashi Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 i'll wait for it to go official but this looks to be an awesome update. :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted July 30, 2007 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2007 FYI, installing drivers without a digital signature is a pretty bad idea. Signing is enforced on x64 versions for a reason. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted July 30, 2007 Author Share Posted July 30, 2007 FYI, installing drivers without a digital signature is a pretty bad idea. Signing is enforced on x64 versions for a reason. i trust unwinder (rivatuner developer) and peerguardian crew. Its not like there are any other better alternatives I still don't feel like MS should force this on the user, should be a way to disable it Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenomorph Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 FYI, installing drivers without a digital signature is a pretty bad idea. Signing is enforced on x64 versions for a reason. signing is "enforced" because of stuff like rootkits i believe. other than that, having enforced signing is a pain in the ass. some of the best drivers are unsigned. hell, i'll never find signed drivers for my STB TV PCI card. the card came out in 1996. STB was purchased and killed by 3dfx, and 3dfx was purchased and killed by NVidia. there will never be new drivers for the card. unsigned/homemade is all that i have. under x64 Vista, the card worked perfectly. others will gladly point out other programs that work great with unsigned drivers. people have been customizing their video drivers for years as well. so much as looking at the INF funny breaks the signing process. when something is KNOWN to be perfectly safe, its silly to have the OS block the drivers because you don't pay Microsoft extra money over and over and over to have them re-sign the drivers for every modification by every person. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted July 30, 2007 Author Share Posted July 30, 2007 people have been customizing their video drivers for years as well. so much as looking at the INF funny breaks the signing process. when something is KNOWN to be perfectly safe, its silly to have the OS block the drivers because you don't pay Microsoft extra money over and over and over to have them re-sign the drivers for every modification by every person. i agree what you said, but you are confusing digital signatures with WHQL. pretty much everyone can get their own digital signatures, just forgot how much it cost. MS is the one that makes WHQL signatures. changing INF file will not break digital signature, digital signatures are actually on the exe/dll files them self. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Dash8 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Which is why if you actually bypass the check on signed drivers, you may actually be installing a tampered version of a particular program. For example a site may be distributing a malware-infected Catalyst or Forceware driver version, but you won't have any idea since you're forcing Vista to not even check the signature. Of course it's rare that downloading Rivatuner from the proper source like Guru3D is going to result in malware infection, but still the check is there for a reason so just turning it off altogether is not a smart move. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted July 30, 2007 Author Share Posted July 30, 2007 Of course it's rare that downloading Rivatuner from the proper source like Guru3D is going to result in malware infection, but still the check is there for a reason so just turning it off altogether is not a smart move. the problem is that if you don't disable that check, you can't use rivatuner at all on 64bit driver"What's "Blue-Ray?" never heard of it.its not MS fault that sony can't spell blue correclty :whistle: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-scratch Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 well Windows6.0-KB938979-x86 caused me to not be able create or rename folders so i uninstalled it Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
magik Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I've just installed this (x86) and there is a very noticeable speed-up in copying/moving files, good stuff! :) Haven't had time to really test anything else, but so far, so good. :) EDIT: sCrAtCh420th: I didn't have any problems creating/renaming/deleting folders... looks like that may be an isolated issue? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-scratch Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 well i might have to figure what caused it i know the other update works fine with no problems Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexcyn Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Which is why if you actually bypass the check on signed drivers, you may actually be installing a tampered version of a particular program. For example a site may be distributing a malware-infected Catalyst or Forceware driver version, but you won't have any idea since you're forcing Vista to not even check the signature.Of course it's rare that downloading Rivatuner from the proper source like Guru3D is going to result in malware infection, but still the check is there for a reason so just turning it off altogether is not a smart move. Sure the check is there for a good reason - But I'm not sure a novice user would knowingly disable this, since previously it required a bit of advanced knowledge to permanently disable (well, Googling knowledge but still). So I really don't think the average user would be bothered by having a way to permanently disable driver sign checks. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalE Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Definitely a performance increase on my system! :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
J2733 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Is this update just for 64bit version? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Det. Sonny-Crockett Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Damnit i just reinstalled XP too..Oh boy now time to reinstall Vista YAY Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdsams Veteran Posted July 30, 2007 Veteran Share Posted July 30, 2007 Anyone know when this will go offical? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3nuo Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 these work great but i can't run the system rating tool anymore! hmmmm luckily that's the only issue i ran in to and it's minor because my score can't go any higher. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoneAvail Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Anyone know when this will go offical? In the article it says next Tuesday, but you can never trust Microsoft with release dates. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Elі Subscriber² Posted July 30, 2007 Subscriber² Share Posted July 30, 2007 I have noticed a performance gain in my system and moving files has definitely increased in speed, it also fixed a problem I had where certain icons were not showing correctly and the default folder icon was being shown instead, good job! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niels. Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 I've already found some bugs. 1. When i search for something and i rightclick an item that has no icons in the left column of the rightclickmenu, that column stretches to half of the with of the rightclick menu. :no: 2. Unzipping files has become unbearable, i am now unzipping a file at 0~1 bytes per second. :angry: Other than i can now finally copy between partitions at higher speeds than 900 bytes per second :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelsanges Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 kb938979 locked my rename operations on directories :D uninstalled :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
amrinders87 Posted July 30, 2007 Share Posted July 30, 2007 Thanks. Installed them and seems to have fixed the file copy issues. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/577362-two-most-important-updates-for-vista/page/2/#findComment-588741734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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