bbc [Official] Doctor Who Thread

[PsYcHoKiLLa]

59 minutes ago, NinjaGinger said:

I have nothing against wowen but a female Doctor is like having a black James Bond, you just dont.

Don't you mean Jane Bond?

[DConnell Member]

13 minutes ago, Rich Woods said:

I'm excited about it, if only because the BBC will have to back her up with a badass storyline to silence the haters.

I'll gladly change my mind if she's awesome in the role and the writing is top-notch. TIme will tell .. it always does.

[Draconian Guppy]

didn't see this posted:

 

 

[FloatingFatMan]

3 hours ago, Nefarious Trigger said:

Well who says?  Bond has pretty much all but been named as a callsign, so why such a comment?

No it isn't. 007 is the callsign/codename.  James Bond is his NAME, and his general appearance has been described many times by the man who created the character.

 

[Dick Montage]

45 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

No it isn't. 007 is the callsign/codename.  James Bond is his NAME, and his general appearance has been described many times by the man who created the character.

 

007 is a reference, James Bond has been taken by many people to assume a codename - every since George Lazenby, the first replacement Bond, said "This never happened to the other fellow" in On Her Majesty's Secret Service.  It cleans up some massive holes, not least of which why would an International spy keep giving his real name?

[FloatingFatMan]

That reference is well known to be a tongue in cheek breaking of the 4th wall and nothing more.  Also, the books are the only true canon source for Bond, not the movies.

[The Evil Overlord]

I quite liked the, now fake rumour, that Idris Elba was running for Bond, but hey.

 

I've found myself feeling excited for the new Doctor, last time I looked forward to an episode of Doctor Who was the second part of the one with the weeping angels 

[FloatingFatMan]

I didn't like Smith at first, I was wrong.

I didn't like Capaldi at first, eventually I was wrong.

Third time's the charm, maybe?

[Steven P. Administrators]

1 hour ago, FloatingFatMan said:

I didn't like Smith at first, I was wrong.

I didn't like Capaldi at first, eventually I was wrong.

Third time's the charm, maybe?

For not liking ever?

[FloatingFatMan]

Just now, Steven P. said:

For not liking ever?

For being wrong. We'll see.

[Zathras5]

2 hours ago, Nefarious Trigger said:

007 is a reference, James Bond has been taken by many people to assume a codename - every since George Lazenby, the first replacement Bond, said "This never happened to the other fellow" in On Her Majesty's Secret Service.  It cleans up some massive holes, not least of which why would an International spy keep giving his real name?

Explain SkyFall then... he goes back to where he grew up and it says Bond on the mail box.  They just reboot the series each recasting me thinks.

[The Evil Overlord]

17 minutes ago, FloatingFatMan said:

For being wrong. We'll see.

Nope, I remember a discussion regarding the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 vs the Tab 10.1 

OK so it was YEARS ago....

[The Evil Overlord]

17 minutes ago, Zathras5 said:

Explain SkyFall then... he goes back to where he grew up and it says Bond on the mail box.  They just reboot the series each recasting me thinks.

The Movies aren't loyal to the original books, yes as it happened his parent's were called Bond, but it was also the given spy name 'James Bond' 

Besides after Cubby's passing, the movies took a nose dive to some of the the Bond fans.

I for one hated Pierce Brosnan at first, as GoldenEye (incidentally, also the name of Cubby's Jamaica home, I think) he couldn't hold an English accent to save his life, 'access codes, nukular as opposed to nuclear, etc...) but he redeemed himself in The World Is Not Enough, mostly because of the Nod to, On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

[Dick Montage]

1 hour ago, Zathras5 said:

Explain SkyFall then... he goes back to where he grew up and it says Bond on the mail box.  They just reboot the series each recasting me thinks.

Fair comment, and it's a strong argument.  But for every argument either way, there is a counter the other way.  Like I said, it's something a lot of people believe.

3 hours ago, FloatingFatMan said:

Also, the books are the only true canon source for Bond, not the movies.

Oh now come on, you are joking right?

[The Evil Overlord]

8 minutes ago, Nefarious Trigger said:

 

Oh now come on, you are joking right?

I'm on his side on this one bud, the novel is as 'direct from the thinker' as possible, and sets the bar. 

The movies always stray, Ok Dr. No didn't have the budget to do the book justice, but Goldfinger (was so tempted to say GoldMember) and Thunderball were the films that set the bar for the movies, a bar they still follow today.

[Dick Montage]

4 minutes ago, The Evil Overlord said:

I'm on his side on this one bud, the novel is as 'direct from the thinker' as possible, and sets the bar. 

The movies always stray, Ok Dr. No didn't have the budget to do the book justice, but Goldfinger (was so tempted to say GoldMember) and Thunderball were the films that set the bar for the movies, a bar they still follow today.

Of course the movies stray, and have become a MASSIVE franchise that absolutely eclipse the (not amazing) books.  They may be the "original" but with a juggernaut like Bond, it hardly makes them in any way more important or "correct".

[The Evil Overlord]

4 minutes ago, Nefarious Trigger said:

Of course the movies stray, and have become a MASSIVE franchise that absolutely eclipse the (not amazing) books.  They may be the "original" but with a juggernaut like Bond, it hardly makes them in any way more important or "correct".

It comes down to the lore in the end, any remake can stray from and eclipse it's origins, but then it becomes an entity by itself, but by that time it is just that, a separate entity, and no longer deserves the recognition given to it by it's creator.

Like the Cadbury's Boost you can buy today, everyone has all but forgotten the best one they made, the Coconut Boost, (IMHO)

[Dick Montage]

17 minutes ago, The Evil Overlord said:

Like the Cadbury's Boost you can buy today, everyone has all but forgotten the best one they made, the Coconut Boost, (IMHO)

Whaaaaaa??????  I would love that!

[DConnell Member]

Well, I just bailed out of one of the Doctor Who groups on Facebook. The admin spent a full day taking potshots at anyone who isn't totally thrilled with Jodie. Like that's going to change anyone's mind.

 

I may just have to take a break from the fandom entirely until her debut (so I can make an informed decision on whether this casting was a good idea) if the Whovian community is going to go full Civil War.

[margrave]

I'm just confused as to how people would want to argue at watching an old white man instead of a rather attractive, young lady. If I'm staring at my scifi I'd also rather look at someone more visually engaging.

[DConnell Member]

1 hour ago, margrave said:

I'm just confused as to how people would want to argue at watching an old white man instead of a rather attractive, young lady. If I'm staring at my scifi I'd also rather look at someone more visually engaging.

Because I grew up with the Doctor as a paternal/crazy uncle/mentor figure and I honestly prefer him as such. I didn't even like Matt Smith in the role because he was too young and portrayed the Doctor as too immature for my taste. 

 

Personally, I'd have been happier if they'd cast an older woman - a badass granny to echo Hartnell's badass grandpa. Or even just someone in her late 30s to early 40s - a maternal/crazy aunt character. Jodie just seems more of a companion type than a Doctor to me. 

[Draconian Guppy]

1 hour ago, DConnell said:

Because I grew up with the Doctor as a paternal/crazy uncle/mentor figure and I honestly prefer him as such. I didn't even like Matt Smith in the role because he was too young and portrayed the Doctor as too immature for my taste. 

 

Personally, I'd have been happier if they'd cast an older woman - a badass granny to echo Hartnell's badass grandpa. Or even just someone in her late 30s to early 40s - a maternal/crazy aunt character. Jodie just seems more of a companion type than a Doctor to me. 

+1 but the need to cast a woman is the only way to completely break of the Moffatverse!

[DConnell Member]

2 hours ago, Draconian Guppy said:

+1 but the need to cast a woman is the only way to completely break of the Moffatverse!

How? That's pretty much been his goal since the moment he started on the show!

[Draconian Guppy]

7 minutes ago, DConnell said:

How? That's pretty much been his goal since the moment he started on the show!

Moffat wanted to cast a woman?

 

Well for any new showrunner any possible relations to the moffatverse will be hard and probably ignored river song, badwolf, impossible girls. Whereas had the lead remained male, the possibility was open and  thus retaining moffatverse story arcs.

[DConnell Member]

17 minutes ago, Draconian Guppy said:

Moffat wanted to cast a woman?

 

Well for any new showrunner any possible relations to the moffatverse will be hard and probably ignored river song, badwolf, impossible girls. Whereas had the lead remained male, the possibility was open and  thus retaining moffatverse story arcs.

He may not have actually done the casting himself, but he pushed non-stop for it - references to gender changing in regeneration only began when he took the helm. Missy was the next big step, and I'm certain he had a hand in casting Jodie. 

 

This isn't wiping the slate clean of Moffatt - it's what he was working for the entire time. 

 

But why do you think Moffatt's influence can't continue just because there's a woman in the role? (Especially since that's the ultimate expression of the Moffatt Masterplan IMO!)