Steven P. Administrators Posted August 29, 2007 Administrators Share Posted August 29, 2007 I had a call from Microsoft Legal this morning and they have told me that we are no longer allowed to endorse AutoPatcher on Neowin. Microsoft will only allow updates to be downloaded from its own servers. AutoPatcher started in 2003 and has been redistributed in some of the worlds best computer magazine cover CD/DVD's. I have no explanation for why Microsoft allowed it to continue unchecked for 4 years before making this decision. I asked the representative if Windows Genuine Advantage had anything to do with it and he categorically told me this was not the case, he added that Windows Update for pre-Vista versions of Windows can now be accessed using Firefox and that the concern at Microsoft had more to do with the possible malicious code that could be redistributed with certified Microsoft updates. We have no grounds to challenge the decision by Microsoft. I'd like to thank the whole AutoPatcher team for their continued work, unfortunately none of the team is online, but they have been contacted via the AutoPatcher.com website by Microsoft Legal. The AutoPatcher forums have been disabled for guests and members. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
heslo Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Wow, that's harsh. I can't believe they would pull a move like this. Probably will be some serious backlash from the community! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
biorK Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 This is truelly sadly news! AutoPatcher was one of my most appreciated applications and I never had a problem with it. A big thank you goes out to the AutoPatcher team, you guys did a great job! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtLENIN Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Idiots Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesmithg Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I think microsoft will change their mind. It saves us the effort of having to visit their site. I doubt if this will be finished. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 :( It's great for packaging offline patches, portability, and in many ways more flexible than updating through Windows Update. What does Firefox access on WU have to do with that?? That's not nearly the reason I believe most are using AutoPatcher, and I think Microsoft is missing the problem here, or more likely, they either pretend or don't want to realize the problem. I mean, all Windows users have IE installed anyway, including Firefox users. AP is more for system administrators and experienced users wanting to package files for easy offline installs, possibly on a network scale. And of course they'll deny it's for WGA reasons. They don't want to get into the debate of locking in users to their services out of inefficient antipiracy methods again. They'd probably even lie to not have to. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavalyr Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 sad to hear this has happened. i think autopatcher is great. i hope that MS changes their minds. and thanks to the team for all their hard work on the program. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NienorGT Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Great, just great... We will need to download 100+ patches every time we install XP now? Seriously, that SUCKS Microsoft! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Horror Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 looks like some windows around will not be updated/ patched anymore... too bad... microsoft will regret and re-consider this stupid decision Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdzzzUK Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 While I don't see the need for MS to ban support for AutoPatcher, it is after all a great utility and something that has saved me hours and hours when repairing clients machines, I'm sure they (MS) must have their reasons for this. I'll continue to support it as long as I can, but it is a massive blow to myself and to the community as a whole that MS have decided to take this action. But, as I've said there must be a good reason why, I'm sure it will all become clear in due course. I'd like to express my thanks to all the team behind AutoPatcher for the sheer amount of hard work and dedication that they have all shown in making this product, and like others have said, it's a massive blow and it sucks - I feel for you guys. Ad Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 This is sad. Odd it took 4 years, and a real shame - this was a well received tool! Thanks Microsoft, way to **** off a community! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iverson0881 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 ****. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzieb Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 F***ing shocking corporate bull Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
apul Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 (edited) ****ing ****, they can't do that. I have to subscribe to neowin now... Edited August 29, 2007 by apul Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
accesser Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Lets hope MS come up with there own solution for it I vaguely remember before XP SP2 they did a security rollup where several updates where in the one download. I think it would be nice if they offered this every now and then a single download that has all the updates in it after SP2 perhaps they could have it make you register the PC after you have ran the updates on it making it possible to update peoples PC?s for them when they are on dial up etc. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wivern Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Release the buildprocess & source code to the public. Then we can make our own builds and ?Soft can't stop it anymore. Long live open source. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
4CxbqFxVnstmA Veteran Posted August 29, 2007 Veteran Share Posted August 29, 2007 this is a real shame. maybe the autopatcher crew can continue to package 3rd party software (like java and flash and the cool tweaks) until microsoft come to their senses. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigapixels Veteran Posted August 29, 2007 Veteran Share Posted August 29, 2007 Lets hope MS come up with there own solution for it I vaguely remember before XP SP2 they did a security rollup where several updates where in the one download.I think it would be nice if they offered this every now and then a single download that has all the updates in it after SP2 perhaps they could have it make you register the PC after you have ran the updates on it making it possible to update peoples PC's for them when they are on dial up etc. The single download isn't the point of AutoPatcher though. The cool thing about AutoPatcher is that you have a disc ready with the updates and you don't need to actually download the updates when setting up the computer, which can take quite a long time as it seems the XP update system seems to slow everything down. It also includes several optional updates that are never included in the infrequent rollups that Microsoft puts out. All in all, it's much more convenient to use AutoPatcher when compared to any solution Microsoft has ever provided. This is a poor decision by Microsoft. I can understand their concern of being blamed if malicious code were distributed with their updates, but the AutoPatcher project has been going for 4 years without incident, so I'm at a loss as to why they would be concerned about this now. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelli Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Very disappointing move by Microsoft i must admit. However the cache function on google has helped me out slightly ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panacik Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Wow, thats a real shame. I only just started using it and realised what a great application it is. How very sad :( Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomZ Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Release the buildprocess & source code to the public.Then we can make our own builds and ?Soft can't stop it anymore. Long live open source. I second this! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsiMoon314 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hi Guys, It's a sad day and I don't mind saying that I am in shock here regarding the AP news. I appreciate that the AP project is now dead as far as Neowin concerned, however I am wondering if there could be a future for it in another form? Perhaps if the hotfixes and patches themselves are not re-distributed then MS would be able to live with it? There are other projects which list the hotfixes for download or automate the download of the hotfixes directly from MS servers for offline use. If this could be combined with the AP framework then we could still have a viable project. Folks would need to download the hotfixes themselves however once this is done the AP framework could still be useful for installing the hotfixes offline. I have PM'ed some of the AP team with my suggestions so we will see what will come of it. At the end of the day this is an attempt by MS to close down a freeware project that competes with their own automated patch distribution systems. Anyone who thinks this has anything to do with security of the patches is deluding themselves. Giving that MS had no issues with this project for over 4 years it seems strange for them to object now based on security concerns. I am also disappointed that the Neowin Staff has let MS run roughshod over this project and done little to fight this action by MS. Regards Simon Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Frothy Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Is this Microsoft trying to kill off Windows XP on purpose? I really don't understand their objection. Maybe they should release quarterly patch rollups then. Not that they will. Thumbs down to Microsoft for this Big Brotherish move. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBfromMemphis Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Why would MS allow firefox users to access windows update? I even stopped using nightly builds and switched back to 2.0.0.6 ... nothing. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderrooster Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 What a crock of sh**. What is the crap about neowin is not allowed. Is Microsoft telling you what to do now neowin? Cant believe neowin will just do whatever it is told by Microsoft. Who is your daddy neowin lol. Wonder what will happen to http://www.ryanvm.net/msfn/ and sites like that if "Microsoft will only allow updates to be downloaded from its own servers." Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/584427-autopatcher-no-longer-allowed/#findComment-588813413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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