Hum Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 CAPE CANAVERAL, FL (AP) -- NASA's Dawn spacecraft rocketed away Thursday toward an unprecedented double encounter in the asteroid belt. Scientists hope the mission sheds light on the early solar system by exploring the two largest bodies in the belt between Mars and Jupiter: an asteroid named Vesta and a dwarf planet the size of Texas named Ceres. Dawn's mission is the world's first attempt to journey to a celestial body and orbit it, then travel to another and circle it as well. Ion-propulsion engines, once confined to science fiction, are making it possible. ''To me, this feels like the first real interplanetary spaceship,'' said Marc Rayman, chief engineer. ''This is the first time we've really had the capability to go someplace, stop, take a detailed look, spend our time there and then leave.'' The 3 billion-mile trip began a little after sunrise. The Delta II rocket thundered through a clear blue sky and headed southeast above the thick clouds over the horizon. A harvest moon was faintly visible in the west. ''Dawn, you're on your way. Good luck,'' Launch Control said once Dawn separated from its third rocket stage an hour later, right on cue. Already, the spacecraft was 4,000 miles from Earth. Dawn won't reach Vesta, its first stop, until 2011, and Ceres, its second and last stop, until 2015. Scientists chose the two targets not only because of their size but because they are so different from one another. Vesta, an asteroid about the length of Arizona and not quite spherical, is dry and rocky and appears to have a surface of frozen lava. It's where many of the meteorites found on Earth came from. Ceres, upgraded to a dwarf planet just last year, is nearly spherical, icy and may have frost-covered poles. Both formed around the same time some 4 1/2 billion years ago. Spacecraft have flown by asteroids before -- albeit much smaller -- and even orbited and landed on them, and more asteroid missions are on the horizon. But none has attempted to orbit two on the same mission, until Dawn. ''While these other asteroid missions are, I think, very exciting, I hope one doesn't confuse the kind of asteroids that Dawn is going to with the near-Earth asteroids and these other small bodies,'' said Rayman, who is based at Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. ''I think many people think of asteroids as kind of little chips of rock. But the places that Dawn is going to really are more like worlds.'' Dawn has cameras, an infrared spectrometer and a gamma ray and neutron detector to probe the surfaces of Vesta and Ceres from orbit. It also has solar wings that measure nearly 65 feet from tip to tip, to generate power as it ventures farther from the sun. Most importantly, Dawn has three ion engines that will provide a gentle yet increasingly accelerating thrust. Electrons will bombard Dawn's modest supply of xenon gas, and the resulting ions will shoot out into space, nudging the spacecraft along. Even ''Star Wars'' had only twin ion engines with its T.I.E. Fighters, Rayman noted with a smile earlier in the week. The mission costs $357 million, excluding the unpublicized price of the rocket. source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 10, 2011 Share Posted July 10, 2011 Apparently Dawns ion propulsion got it to this point a tad early. By the way: Delta II Heavy 7925 - around $200M a pop. http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/dawn_vesta_image_070111.asp July 7, 2011 - PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Dawn spacecraft obtained this image with its framing camera on July 1, 2011. It was taken from a distance of about 62,000 miles (100,000 kilometers) away from the protoplanet Vesta. Each pixel in the image corresponds to roughly 5.8 miles (9.3 kilometers). Dawn spacecraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 how long has it taken Dawn to get to Vesta? and what is New Horizons up to these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 11, 2011 Share Posted July 11, 2011 Dawn was launched on Sept. 27, 2007 using a Delta II-H - a little light for fast planetary missions. The ion drive makes up a bit for that and lets it break Vesta orbit to go to Ceres and stay there a while - the real cherry on this tree. If it had a VASIMR drive things would have been a LOT faster, but we aren't quite there yet. New Horizons is working fine and is past the orbit of Uranis at 20.44 AU from the Sun, 19.44 AU from Earth, and 11.75 AU to go before getting to Pluto. She's moving at about 15.60 km/s. The New Horisins imager has been tested and it works. Below is a look-back shot it took after passing Jupiter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 thanks for the info Doc. getting a close look at Ceres will be neat, i remember when i was a kid it was still described and imagined as a rock-like asteroid, when now we know it's basically a small planet. good going Dawn! ditto for New Horizons...didn't realize the gal was past Uranus! she's fast, or at least faster than anything else we've ever launched...so Pluto in a couple of years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleNeutrino Veteran Posted July 13, 2011 Veteran Share Posted July 13, 2011 exciting days, too bad the manned space program is almost dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 it's about to get very lively again in the next few years, don't worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason S. Global Moderator Posted July 13, 2011 Global Moderator Share Posted July 13, 2011 im realizing now how fast this satellite is w/ its ion engine, but just how much faster is it compared to "traditional" propulsion systems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 13, 2011 Share Posted July 13, 2011 A traditional outer planet mission like the Voyagers or whatever would get a big kick from its chemical booster then coast all the way with no further acceleration. New Horizons and future missions will use smaller boosters and ion or plasma engines that thrust lightly but continuously, adding speed slowly but it adds up bigtime. This ups efficiency considerably, which means you can carry far less fuel. The measure of rocket efficiency is specific impulse - ISP, which is measured in seconds and increases with efficiency. Your typical chemical rocket has an ISP of between 200 and about 450. Ion engines go to about 3,000 and VASIMR 3,000 - 50,000+ (variable: high thrust/low ISP or low thrust/high ISP) Voyager 1 is still the fastest probe at 17.26 km/s, and New Horizons is at 15 km/s and using its engines to slow down for the Pluto encounter - this isn't a horse race. If it were New Horizons would pass Voyager 1 like it were standing still and be at that point far sooner than Voyager 1 took to get there. The typical VASIMR Mars mission would do something like this too; spiraling around Earth to gain speed for a few weeks, then slingshot to Mars - thrusting continuously. Half-way there it would turn around and thrust away from Mars to decelerate - otherwise it would scoot by too fast to enter Mars orbit without large/heavy chemical rockets. It would then spiral in to a lower Mars orbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason S. Global Moderator Posted July 13, 2011 Global Moderator Share Posted July 13, 2011 awesome post docm! good stuff (Y) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 16, 2011 Share Posted July 16, 2011 Dawn arrives at Vesta Saturday, and this New Scientist article dealves into the comppex orbital mechanics that cause it and Ceres to have an effect on Earth's orbit - Link.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 awesome that we made it to Vesta, really good news! but where are the photos, this is all NASA has on it i think http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/dawn/news/dawn20110716.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 It'll take a while to get pics of any quality - they're busy getting it into the orbit they want and the pics need digital processing before release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 yeah, i keep thinking taking photos in space and from telescopes is like using my phone...i need to remind myself it's not that simple! i'll be patient, hopefully we'll have something in a couple of days. i need them for my desktop background :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Here we go... 4 Vesta. Mound is a crater peak. This anaglyph (stereo 3D) image of the asteroid Vesta was taken on July 9, 2011 by the framing camera instrument aboard NASA's Dawn spacecraft Comparison to other asteroids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 heh heh Vesta looks like a cookie in those pics...yum...thanks for posting these Doc, truly historic and incredible. i'm proud of Dawn and the folks behind her. Vesta's a big place, right? i mean, without looking it up, i'd guess what, 300 miles across? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 4 Vesta's mean diameter is about 530 km or 330 miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 yeee-haw! i'm still good for something! i was just 30 miles off and this was without looking it up! thanks for the confirmation Doc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 NASA's Dawn spacecraft obtained this image of the giant asteroid Vesta with its framing camera on July 24, 2011. It was taken from a distance of about 3,200 miles (5,200 kilometers). Dawn entered orbit around Vesta on July 15, and will spend a year orbiting the body. The Dawn mission to Vesta and Ceres is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. The framing cameras were built by the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, Katlenburg-Lindau, Germany, and the German Aerospace Center (DLR) Institute of Planetary Research, Berlin. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA/MPS/DLR/IDA The Dark Side of Vesta Captured by DawnNASA's Dawn spacecraft obtained this image over the northern hemisphere with its framing camera on July 23, 2011. It was taken from a distance of about 3,200 miles (5,200 kilometers) away from the giant asteroid Vesta. Credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech/UCLA/MPS/DLR/IDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 7, 2011 Share Posted August 7, 2011 Taken by Dawn's framing camera.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guru Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Thanks Doc and lol at your sig Wings on a spacecraft are like wheels on a boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoadorable Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 great video of Vesta, man those track marks really speak of a major event in her past...she must have rubbed against something massive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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neoadorable Posted June 11, 2012 Share Posted June 11, 2012 nice pics Doc, thanks a lot for posting them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Dawn has lose a second reaction wheel (fine steering device.) Sounds like the bearing failed. They also say that without reaction wheels they can steer using the ion engines using differential thrust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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