freeza Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 ....Do you really need to have 12.2 GB of virtual memory if you have 8GB of ram in your system?.... Vista x64. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I ask myself that with 3gb of ram... I work well in 512mb of VM :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 2, 2007 Veteran Share Posted October 2, 2007 I doubt you have 12.2GB of virtual memory... You probably have 12.2GB total (physical plus virtual). Doesn't really matter, nothing goes there unless needed. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 I really dont want to have 12.2 GB Of space being wasted for no reason. How much wouldyou say i REALLY need for virtual memory? oh and... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 1 gb would be fine, i'd imagine.... 2 maybe? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 Thanks Raa, i decided to go ahead with 2GB. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Yes, it appears that Windows still follows the RAM x 1.5 formula for virtual memory that has existed since Windows 3.1! You'd think they would have revised that a little in the last decade or so. A similar crazy thing happens with the Recycle Bin as well, it still defaults to 10% of the hard drive (or of each hard drive if you have more than one), as it has since Windows 95 was released. The first thing I do when installing Windows is drop it down to around 1 or 2%. Even then I sometimes feel that it is wasteful. I'm sure these crazy formulas probably have something to do with backwards compatibility, but I can't for the life of me understand what that might be. Maybe that is the reason that we still have the same font dialog box in Vista as in Windows 3.1 as well. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPressland Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Yeah, Windows still uses the RAM x 1.5 formula. And I agree with it, after all, unless you're major lacking in storage space, there is no harm to a 100GB of VM <-- maybe a minor exaggeration Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 I doubt you have 12.2GB of virtual memory... You probably have 12.2GB total (physical plus virtual). Doesn't really matter, nothing goes there unless needed. Brandon, I'm quite surprised that you would doubt that he was telling the truth about the virtual memory size, since you work for Microsoft. I'd think you would be well aware of the defaults that Windows ships with. 12GB of virtual memory would be the default setting for a system with 8GB of RAM (8 x 1.5 = 12). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
conan_2000 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Even 2GB is a waste, I only have 2GB of RAM and run VM at 512MB. Can't see any reason why you would need more than that. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
freeza Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 I agree Conan, i've disabled virtual memory but it seems as though the sims 2 doesn't like that much, so i enabled it and up until today i followed the 1.5x rule, but i find it ridiculous to have 12gb of virtual memory.....so i dropped it. hopefully all is well. I wonder if i should turn on readyboost too! lol Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 2, 2007 Veteran Share Posted October 2, 2007 Brandon, I'm quite surprised that you would doubt that he was telling the truth about the virtual memory size, since you work for Microsoft. I'd think you would be well aware of the defaults that Windows ships with. 12GB of virtual memory would be the default setting for a system with 8GB of RAM (8 x 1.5 = 12). I thought perhaps he was going by the "Page File" readout in Task Manager, which is actually physical RAM + virtual. On my machine it is 4GB + 4GB, so I don't know where the 1.5x thing comes from. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Patriot Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 On my machine it is 4GB + 4GB, so I don't know where the 1.5x thing comes from. Then you must have changed it from the default setting. Windows has used the RAM x 1.5 formula for virtual memory since it first had virtual memory. I remember it using up 1/4 of the 50MB hard drive in my first Windows machine (running 3.1) after I upgraded the machine to 8MB of RAM (huge at the time). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 You cannot disable the page file without experiencing errors. This might sound strange, but some things are FORCED into the paging file (Some kernel libraries are prime examples) even though they are cached back to normal ram, often they can be kept in page file just for refernce. Blame windows, but having a "small" page file is the best way to go, i've often stuck with a 384-512mb one myself, right from the 1gb ram days. ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier1st Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 if you have that ammount of real memory then a pagefile size of 256mb or less will be best but dont turn it off,the more memory you got the less pagefile you need but it all depends on what you do with ur pc. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588890933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehodown Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 If I had 8 gig of ram I would sack the page file off completely to be honest. 8 gig should be more than plenty for most day to day stuff. If you are doing something seriously memory intensive I would consider buying more ram rather than paging (and increasing disk I/O) as the chances are the machine is critical and the cost for the extra ram would far outweigh the performance hit you get when using the page file. Why utilise your hard disk as slow memory when you can use fast RAM? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588891565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 2, 2007 Veteran Share Posted October 2, 2007 If I had 8 gig of ram I would sack the page file off completely to be honest. 8 gig should be more than plenty for most day to day stuff. If you are doing something seriously memory intensive I would consider buying more ram rather than paging (and increasing disk I/O) as the chances are the machine is critical and the cost for the extra ram would far outweigh the performance hit you get when using the page file. Why utilise your hard disk as slow memory when you can use fast RAM? That shows a lot of ignorance of OS design. Regardless of how much RAM you have, you shouldn't completely disable your pagefile. Make it small, sure, if you care about the disk space it's taking up. But don't turn it off. You CAN turn it off, it's just not a good idea. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588892040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Live Veteran Posted October 2, 2007 Veteran Share Posted October 2, 2007 Then you must have changed it from the default setting. Windows has used the RAM x 1.5 formula for virtual memory since it first had virtual memory. I remember it using up 1/4 of the 50MB hard drive in my first Windows machine (running 3.1) after I upgraded the machine to 8MB of RAM (huge at the time). Nope, it's using purely default settings - set to "Let windows manage my pagefile" or whatever. The size is actually variable, not fixed though. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588892064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier1st Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 8GB ram would be overkill for anyone but for vista it would be plenty.in a few years 8GB would prove very well. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588892422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Phreak Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 I thought perhaps he was going by the "Page File" readout in Task Manager, which is actually physical RAM + virtual. On my machine it is 4GB + 4GB, so I don't know where the 1.5x thing comes from. You've most likely set your Pagefile to a custom or constant size Brandon. Windows default pagefile formula since Win95 has been Physical Mem x 1.5 =pagefile.sys size. Also soldier1st 8GB of RAM sounds about right for Crysis or any game that uses large or streaming textures. Instead of having the videocard texture swapping to the HD you could have it done in the RAM and just shut off the pagefile. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588893391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
soldier1st Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 but anything over 4GB you need x64 to use it and yes games and 8GB sounds right. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588893430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Montage Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Any amount of RAM, 1gig or 8gig - I would still allow the OS to allocate it and work with a pagefile. It's a feature that the OS expects, and so denying it would be derogatory to the OS. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588893435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morpheus Phreak Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Any amount of RAM, 1gig or 8gig - I would still allow the OS to allocate it and work with a pagefile. It's a feature that the OS expects, and so denying it would be derogatory to the OS. How so? The pagefile exists as a file on the HD. Max transfer speeds on an HD are around 1% of RAM speeds at best. By disabling the pagefile you're forcing that information to travel at around 100+ times the speed. How would that be derogatory? (BTW I'm assuming you meant detrimental, not derogatory) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-588893974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Veteran Posted July 1, 2014 Veteran Share Posted July 1, 2014 Thread from 2007. Please make a new thread if you would like help with this. :) Regards Closed Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/591485-8gb-ram-and-virtual-memory/#findComment-596472321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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