L3thal Veteran Posted December 5, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2007 Ohio St. played mediocre teams and they lost at home against Illinois, which is a no-no. Also, they benefit from not having to play a conference championship game and just like last year, they have off the final 2 weeks of the season and we all know what happened to Ohio St. last season when they had almost 2 months off... Lets not start picking on Hawaii like many of you did to Boise St. last season. They have, arguably, one of the best QB's in the nation right now and a candidate for the Heisman trophy in Colt Brennan. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589036960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Veteran Posted December 5, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2007 Ohio St. played mediocre teams and they lost at home against Illinois, which is a no-no. Also, they benefit from not having to play a conference championship game and just like last year, they have off the final 2 weeks of the season and we all know what happened to Ohio St. last season when they had almost 2 months off...Lets not start picking on Hawaii like many of you did to Boise St. last season. They have, arguably, one of the best QB's in the nation right now and a candidate for the Heisman trophy in Colt Brennan. I heard on the radio (so it may or may not be true) that Hawaii was dead last in strenght of schedule. Does anyone know where that data is compiled? I'd love to see a listing of each team listed by BCS rank and then their strength of schedule. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589037011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniPi Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 As for strength of schedule, I did come upon this. http://www.gberatings.com/sos/ Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589037047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
quigley0 Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 argh...... if you are a fan of the BCS system or not, you have to admit that every year there is "controversy" surrounding who is picked for what. Would it really be SOOO bad for the NCAA to adopt a playoff system? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589037600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Veteran Posted December 5, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2007 argh......if you are a fan of the BCS system or not, you have to admit that every year there is "controversy" surrounding who is picked for what. Would it really be SOOO bad for the NCAA to adopt a playoff system? I have heard that there are so many contracts signed that extend out into the future that it wouldn't be possible within even 10 years from now (TV, sites, sponsor's, etc). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589038245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathachew Veteran Posted December 5, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2007 I have heard that there are so many contracts signed that extend out into the future that it wouldn't be possible within even 10 years from now (TV, sites, sponsor's, etc). Ouch :pinch: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589038250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted December 5, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2007 As for strength of schedule, I did come upon this.http://www.gberatings.com/sos/ Based on that, no one should be talking about Hawaii and their schedule when Ohio St., who is playing for the BCS title, has 66 teams ahead of them. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589038548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kak Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Lets not start picking on Hawaii like many of you did to Boise St. last season. They have, arguably, one of the best QB's in the nation right now and a candidate for the Heisman trophy in Colt Brennan. Brennan is a good QB, but his stats aren't realistic. Hawaii plays virtually nobody. They are a system team that has a horrible defense and virtually no run game. Year in year out, they have someone putting up ridiculous numbers. Brennan might be good, but he isn't Heisman worthy. If he played in a BCS conference or even played against tradition-rich teams, his numbers would be much lower and Hawaii wouldn't be undefeated. Would it really be SOOO bad for the NCAA to adopt a playoff system? In this case, no. In normal years, yes. What I heard on ESPN one day that was actually good was take the top 8 BCS teams and have a playoff. I guess you could work your ways backwards with the bowls and reward the winners of each round somehow. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589038559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted December 5, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2007 Brennan is a good QB, but his stats aren't realistic. Hawaii plays virtually nobody. They are a system team that has a horrible defense and virtually no run game. Year in year out, they have someone putting up ridiculous numbers. Brennan might be good, but he isn't Heisman worthy. If he played in a BCS conference or even played against tradition-rich teams, his numbers would be much lower and Hawaii wouldn't be undefeated. That is irrelevant because we will never know how good he would have been had he played in a BCS conference. What I can say, regardless of strength of schedule, is that going undefeated in a season is not easy. Winning game in and game out for a whole season in college football is a big feat and we shouldn't be looking down on Hawaii. Everyone looked down on Boise St. and their "easy" schedule and they pulled off one of the biggest bowl upsets ever and of the most memorable endings to a bowl game. They are playing Georgia in the Sugar Bowl. They have a good chance of winning that game. Good article here on Hawaii: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3138669 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589038576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted December 5, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2007 If Hawaii slams Georgia it will make my year so much better after GT's disappointing season. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589038595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aaron Veteran Posted December 5, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2007 If Hawaii slams Georgia it will make my year so much better after GT's disappointing season. Keep dreaming! Sad, having to live glory by proxy through other school's teams. ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
theresiststance2003 Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Why did LSU pass VT? Well, its very simple. When they met each other in Baton Rouge in September, LSU beat VT 48-7. Therefore, you cannot possibly place VT on top of LSU when they end the season in even terms (both won their conferences). They put us above LSU last week, why the sudden jump? If the only justification for them being above us is that they beat us and were therefore better than us, they should've been above us last week. They weren't. There's no reason for this. There's also a reason that we were #1 in the computer analysis. But no one wants to see an ACC team in the championship game apparently, because OH NO that'd be contrary to tradition. The system is flawed. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted December 5, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 5, 2007 Keep dreaming! Sad, having to live glory by proxy through other school's teams. ;) What can I say--our offense is just really bad other than Tashard. But I've gone through too much slack with UGA fans to rest now. :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xinary Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Um, no, they didn't. Oklahoma beat the #1 ranked team in the nation,.And, as for your other post: I'm sorry, but that literally makes no sense what-so-ever. If the Colts "loose" their playoff game they should go to the Superbowl? Huh?! :blink: Yes, they could have a shot at the Superbowl. But that's the beauty of the playoff: every team that HAS a shot GETS a shot! It makes perfect sense, because the same is true for the BCS system, if you had a shot, you would be in the game! EVERY TEAM PLAYS BY THE SAME RULES, STOP WHINING! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
golemn Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 It makes perfect sense, because the same is true for the BCS system, if you had a shot, you would be in the game! EVERY TEAM PLAYS BY THE SAME RULES, STOP WHINING! That is not true at all, its based on votes, thus its a flawed system. Lets use Hawaii they never lost. They have no shot at national title. Please do research before you try to sound smart... Look into the BCS conferences there are 6. Basically only those 6 conferences even have shot at national title. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted December 6, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 6, 2007 That is one of the reasons the system is flawed. If you play outside a BCS conference, you have no shot at the BCS title. No matter if you play a SOS in the top 20, you will not be in the championship game because you are outside a BCS conference. Of course, its fair to say that Hawaii does not deserve to be in the title game because of their SOS so the BCS makes up for it by placing them in a BCS bowl, which they earned. Therefore, there are pros and cons; its not fair that a non-BCS conference team can't play in a title game. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathachew Veteran Posted December 6, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 6, 2007 A sports rating system like the BCS, which is based on opinions, is flawed. That's how I've always looked at the BCS standings, and always will, even if LSU ends up benefiting. I like how the NFL does it, basing it on stats rather than what three groups of people voted on. But I will admit that I'm not an avid college football follower and could be missing something with the rankings. I never did care enough to actually research it and understand it. I just know that almost each year this "problem" gets raised. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
L3thal Veteran Posted December 6, 2007 Veteran Share Posted December 6, 2007 Its very difficult to have a playoff when 1) the TV contract is for almost a decade for the BCS, 2) Coaches are against it because it makes the regular season less important and critical, 3) College Presidents do not want it either because it extends the season and the students are in class less than they are now, and 4) its too expensive for fans since they have to travel across the country to get to the next game if their school progresses. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 6, 2007 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 If it's too expensive, how is it that NCAA Division II does it? What about NCAA Division II-AA (or whatever the hell it's called now)? I participate in an intercollegiate sport, and trust me, it's not the schools that don't want it -- it's the system. It makes more money via television for bowl games than it ever would for a playoff system. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniPi Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Its very difficult to have a playoff when 1) the TV contract is for almost a decade for the BCS, 2) Coaches are against it because it makes the regular season less important and critical, 3) College Presidents do not want it either because it extends the season and the students are in class less than they are now, and 4) its too expensive for fans since they have to travel across the country to get to the next game if their school progresses. Quoted for emphasis...there are just too many reasons and too many damn teams for there to ever be a playoff system in college football. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayepecks Posted December 6, 2007 Author Share Posted December 6, 2007 Quoted for emphasis...there are just too many reasons and too many damn teams for there to ever be a playoff system in college football. Reasons that are all related to money for the BCS. And no one is proposing an extended playoff. Most people want a maximum of 16 teams, with the majority of the ideas I've seen proposing an eight-team playoff. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589039896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfunk4life Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 (edited) is Strength of Schedule base on the year or the year that pass? i had an idea, if their is 120 teams >12 conf. < 10 teams in each conf.< divide each conf. in 2 division < 5 teams in each division< each team who wins their division meets the other team that wins the other division in each conf.<each winner will be given a rank( well the conf. will be given a rank< the lowest rank team meets the highest<the winners of each game (cut down to 6 teams alive) will then keep their ranks and lowest vs highest again.< after that game their will be 3 teams. i knew it will be uneven but i think they will have to think of, adding more teams or taking team out of the NCAA 1A. maybe at the start of my plan(10 conf., 12 teams in each,4 divisions which will add one more game) or even a bye week for the highest rank team(or a point system from the week before ) _______________________ added: both WAC teams are going to beat the 2 Georgia teams :D Edited December 6, 2007 by Gfunk4life Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/604314-ncaa-football-bcs-go-boom/page/2/#findComment-589040197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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