Xbox 360 + HDMI = No 1080p For Me?

[MrKuro]

There is no way to justify paying over $100 for a cable...

Have you proved them wrong by buying one?

That’s a total Mythbuster statement

In the age of black CDs (real records) I heard that statement on a regular basis

Save money use regular copper cable instead of quality (and more expensive) speaker cable

I chose the latter

Monster of course in 1980 $ 3.50 a ft

a bud came over and was listening to Pink Floyd The Dark Side of the Moon

He’s like WTF ?

You get new speakers or a amp?

I said no why

His response I’m hearing things that were never there before

I said yes I did a minor upgrade of speaker cable at 3.50 a foot

Got two 8 ft lengths

He was floored

Cable is not cable

The content of the cable is what makes it high or low quality

Monster uses the purest copper and usually includes gold or silver based cores

Much better conductors

And uses much better shielding than a rubber wrapping

Now Video I have not tested yet but would not use the blanket excuse of its “just” cable

Beer is not just Beer, Wine is not just Wine

As tell people bitching whose hotmail account has ****ed up....

It was free right??? You get what you pay for

Of course that does not mean he should run out and by Monster

But there are upper quality cables than the budget HDMI out there

Rant Out

speaker cable is analogue (quality/premium cables can make a difference in signal quality)

HDMI is digital (sends a digital signal, 1's & 0's .. they arrive or they don't, like USB cables . . . as long as the cable meets spec, it will function the same)

maybe you should look up the difference between analogue and digital signal transmission

Edited February 1, 2008 by WolfDV

[Apple-a-Day]

I agree, some cable is crap.. but do you honestly believe that an 8FT HDMI cable is worth $200?

It cost them maybe $10 total to make, package, ship... and they charge $200 for it?

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1158103757481

Well like I said never tested Monster

But having known some of there products they do put a lot of R & D into there products

Are they marked high in prices hell yeh!!

But have seen see that same cable on sale at NCIX.com for as low as 39

At that price Id say yeh man WFT

If I had a PS3 which does HDMI from console to TV

Id try

Havent seen the 360 Monster cables on sale as of yet

But given the price I would try

I know its hard to believe as I used to be a none beliver as well

But when you here things that where not there before....

It changes your opinion

[spenser.d]

Well like I said never tested Monster

But having known some of there products they do put a lot of R & D into there products

Are they marked high in prices hell yeh!!

But have seen see that same cable on sale at NCIX.com for as low as 39

At that price Id say yeh man WFT

If I had a PS3 which does HDMI from console to TV

Id try

Havent seen the 360 Monster cables on sale as of yet

But given the price I would try

I know its hard to believe as I used to be a none beliver as well

But when you here things that where not there before....

It changes your opinion

Did you purposely ignore the rationale given from two separate people explaining how HDMI and speaker cables are very different?

-Spenser

[Apple-a-Day]

speaker cable is analogue (quality/premium cables can make a difference in signal quality)

HDMI is digital (sends a digital signal, 1's & 0's .. they arrive or they don't, like USB cables)

maybe you should look up the difference between analogue and digital signal transmission

LIke I said signal transmision still relys on a metalic road

Gravel vs Paved you will see a differance

I have not tested yet... but given time I may

How ever I doubt the issue at hand here is with his cable

More likley the TV or Xbox HDMI couplings

Did you purposely ignore the rationale given from two separate people explaining how HDMI and speaker cables are very different?

-Spenser

HDMI vs Audio

Data transfer over a metal link from source to target

As HDMI is not optical it still sends a signal via a metalic highway

Im not saying blow a couple hundred on Monster... just you get what you pay for

As allways your system is only as good as your weakest link

If your gonna spend big bucks on a TV Game box (or any other audio video source) and then a good Receiver

Why cheap out and use lamp cord

Crappy shielding is what it is

Digital or not.. outside interfearance can affect the final outcome

Are digital based phone allways perfect??

When they work the are amazing

When they fail its worse than Analog

Signal loss is allways a factor

[Joe User]

If the cable is putting out 1080i with no problems then it is not the cable.

I'm going to guess the HDMI/HDCP protocol is coming into play and causing the TV to report the wrong maximum resolution OR the XBOX is having a problem querying the TV.

Talk to your TV manufacturer and see if there is a HDCP update for your TV.

[selim1]

Are you sure you installed the latest dashboard updates?

[HawkMan]

blablabla

it doesn't matter if the highway is cheap copper or good copper.

As logn as the highwa is able to deliver a 1 as a 1 and not a 0. do you realize how crap a cable has to be to degrede a digital signal that bad over such a short distance ?

yes over long distance digital signals need high quality cables to avoid "blurring" of the signals, baically the 1 signals loosing their sharp edges at the start and end, and cauing confusigno or even melting the signal into a single signal that's somewhere between a 1 and a 0.

however this is not going to happen to a HDMI cable unless you're cable from the lower left corner of the first floor to the upper right corner on the 3rd floor or something.

as long as the HDMI cable is certified and shielded, it'll give the proper and SAME signal as far as the equipment is concenred wether you paid 10 or 1000 bucks for it.

and this just CAN'T be compared to analog cables in any way, or a highway or anything. analog and digital signals are apples and oranges. Digital signals drive just as fine on the dirt road next to the pure copper highway,

[+Warwagon MVC]

can anyone say Pacebo Effect

[HawkMan]

can anyone say Pacebo Effect

you can't :p

but just for the record:

Placebo Effect

:p

[giantsnyy]

Bringing us off topic again... All i know is that I will forever stick to Monster cables. Why? I work for Circuit City and have gone to "Monster Training" where they explain why their cables (and yes the differences between analog and digital signals) are better than other, cheaper brands. Oh, and I get those "expensive" monster cables for $15 - $30 over vendor accommodations.

Why buy some no name brand when you can have the best?

As for the xbox 360 issue... really sounds like a software problem to me. Can you do 1080p on component cables? If that's selectable... then it might not be a software issue, maybe something wrong with the HDMI port.

[HoochieMamma]

Why buy some no name brand when you can have the best?

Because there is no need? I have a Ritmo HDMI cable, and you know what? Plays 1080p PERFECTLY, I have even tried one of those expensive ass cables and you know what? No difference! Thats right! No difference. Me and 4 other people in the room couldn't see any difference and you know why? Because it's a DIGITAL signal (aka: no interference) it will either work like any other cable or not work at all, simple as that.

All you people who buy $130 cables just don't like money it seems and they need to give it to someone who will use it correctly.

[+Warwagon MVC]

you can't :p

but just for the record:

Placebo Effect

:p

blame google on that one

[Fugi]

well thats your first fault, you're paying $15 for an hdmi cable. Get Monster.

Yeah... its going to cost over $100 but you actually get... quality.

lol....

[Dale]

As for the xbox 360 issue... really sounds like a software problem to me. Can you do 1080p on component cables? If that's selectable... then it might not be a software issue, maybe something wrong with the HDMI port.

i'm not positive but isn't it component cables that only do up to 1080i?

[Apple-a-Day]

As long as the HDMI cable is certified and shielded, it'll give the proper and SAME signal as far as the equipment is concerned whether you paid 10 or 1000 bucks for it.

Yes Grasshopper as long as it is certified and shielded and (((not defective)))

Never totally diss the possibilities

I did say that I have not had the ability to test Digital over Analog

But still the same

You do get what you payed for...

I?m sorry if you think generic copper cable sold for 15.00 may be equivalent to cable with gold ends and silver core at 200.00

Yes the cost may not be worth said pricing but hey I got a bottle of Hermits wine that cost 8.00 I?m sure it?s going to be equal to a bottle of Gran Coronas 1992 Cabernet, after all ... they both come from a green bottle and are red wines

Yeh I?m playing with you

Just because I?m a miserable old prick bwahahahahahhahaa

I?m not by any means saying that cheaper cable will always surpass an expensive one

Just that you get what you pay for... be it cable, blank DVDs, pork, wine, tacos

A TV dinner is basically mashed potatoes and a few slabs of beef that where really frozen well

Not quite the same as a home cooked meal eh????

You get what you pay for once again

The dudes cable could be ****ty, the contacts on the Xbox or the TV could be crap

But don?t put Monster down just because they are pricey

In some cases they do make a noticeable difference

Now is that difference worth say 185 more??????

Who?s to judge...

As it will not be me as I have not tested both yet.....

Alienware just put out a "media server" this week is it worth the 5k starting price????

To some it is to others it cold be built as a much lower cost

MS sells Windows yet you can get Linux for free

Monster could be the same for HDMI

As the initial poster has not yet come back with trying another cable ...

Or a tested the cables on a different Xbox or TV

Simplifying the issue as all cables are the same is like...

Farts and O2 both contain some of the basics for life

Which one would you rather inhale?

Some of these rants are fun...

More so on the weekends..

It brings out the weirdness in us all

Edited February 2, 2008 by Cansokid

[dnast]

Like others have mentioned, just try another HDMI cable. I'm pretty sure this cable had a different price when you first posted the link (I vaguely remember it costing ~$5), but right now Amazon says it's going for $0.01. There might be a reason.

Although digital is digital, there are specifications for HDMI cables. With the highly marked-up HDMI cables out there, there are companies that just throw cheap crap out there to make a quick buck. From what I understand, not all cables can deliver the bandwidth needed for 1080p60 (or whatever the 360 is outputting at max). Yes, most can probably get the job done, but if you buy the cheapest cable possible, you can't just rule out said cable simply because it's delivering a digital signal.

Just give Monoprice a try. $15-20 won't hurt - especially if you can afford a 1080p TV. Don't even bother with Monster (unless you can get one with a Best Buy employee discount - somewhere between $25-40 when I checked a year ago....lol @ the ridiculous mark-up), just purchase a tried and tested HDMI cable with a reasonable price and you might come out on top. If not, you've only spent $20 or so, so there's no big loss.

[HawkMan]

The dudes cable could be ****ty, the contacts on the Xbox or the TV could be crap

But don?t put Monster down just because they are pricey

In some cases they do make a noticeable difference

Since it's a digital signal and all cables sold witht he HDMI logo are certified HDMI cables, no a pricier cable won't make a difference. And IF the cable is faulty, you don't buy an overpriced monster cable, you return the cable for a working one.

So yeah his cable could be faulty, that's why people are elling him to try another one, just not a monster one.

Also why are you hitting enter after every sentence ?

And giantsnyy: really ? you have been on training by Monster, and they told you that monster cable is better? wow.. well then it MUST be tru:p:p

[+StevoFC MVC]

i'm not positive but isn't it component cables that only do up to 1080i?

component has the ability, for lack of a better word, to be able to output 1080p. But it depends on the television as to whether or not it can use the signal, and if there is HDCP involved.

[WelshBluebird]

component has the ability, for lack of a better word, to be able to output 1080p. But it depends on the television as to whether or not it can use the signal, and if there is HDCP involved.

As far as I know, HDCP is only involved if its with movies. For games, it shouldn't matter.

As long as the source, the TV and the cables support it, 1080p is obtainable over component. It's just that a lot of TV's and cable's do not.

As for HDMI cable debate, please don't fall for marketing. A cheap HDMI cable (assuming its not falling apart) will give the same picture as an expensive cable.

[prawnjoe]

If its any consolation bud, I have the same problem with my elite. 1080p is greyed out and cannot be selected. I have tried to different HDMI cables and neither had any effect. My TV is advertised as being capable of 1080p so I am unsure of what the problem is.

So, can anyone actually help or are you all just going to rant about teh price of cables some more........for the record mine were ?5 and ?10.

[wst50]

A lot of crap

With the 0 and 1 thing, right.

A 1 can degrade, but it'll be going at most about 10 feet. At that distance there will still be a significant pulse at the TV end. A '0' cannot become a '1', because a '0' is an absence of a signal, and it would never occur in a normal home situation. It might occur in a nuclear physics lab, but not many people play x360's there...

Now, it f was 0, 1, and 2, a 2 could degrade into a 1, which would create problems. But binary doesn't have a '2', so it doesn't matter.

Also- you get what you pay for- RE: the Home cooking vs. Premade.

Home cooked is cheaper. I could buy 1kg premade chicken liver pate for about 5 Euros in Spain. I made about 3 kilos for less than 2 Euros. Hehe. And it was nicer.

[Kushan]

Bringing us off topic again... All i know is that I will forever stick to Monster cables. Why? I work for Circuit City and have gone to "Monster Training" where they explain why their cables (and yes the differences between analog and digital signals) are better than other, cheaper brands. Oh, and I get those "expensive" monster cables for $15 - $30 over vendor accommodations.

Why buy some no name brand when you can have the best?

Key words here, specifically "cheaper brand". And no doubt they used the "why buy some no name brand when you can have the best?" line on you as well ("no-name" brand doesn't mean it's not good quality).

Think about this for a moment and for the same moment, imagine that the differences in the cables really aren't that great and that both the cheap ones and the expensive ones will do the same thing. Just imagine that, then imagine how much money Circuit City will make if they sell 1000 cheap cables as opposed to 1000 expensive cables. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Of COURSE they're going to say the expensive cable is better, expensive means more profit for them. They don't want people buying cheap when they can get them to buy expensive, even though there's absolutely no difference between them. Just about every electronics store I've ever been in has worked the same way, they'll gladly persuade people to buy a higher model if they can, even if they don't need it.

[Dale]

I'm not going to get into a huge discussion about what is better, I personally fell for the expensive cable in the past.. although I had nothing to compare it to quality wise..

but the reason I'm posting this is when i was debating over the cheap and expensive HDMI cables, what fooled me into buying the expensive cables was looking around the store and seeing what the store uses on display for cables.. The electronic store that I was at had monster cables in every LCD/PLASMA. That was what fooled me into buying monster.

I'm also posting this to catch up on what happened. As far as I understand RedFlow you have not figured out the problem to your 1080i problem? Did you try a different HDMI Cable? I am very interested because I am getting a XBOX 360 later this week and I would like to follow this thread very closely so I don't run into this problem as well.

[RedFlow]

I'll see if I can go try another HDMI cable this week and I will let you guys know.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Key words here, specifically "cheaper brand". And no doubt they used the "why buy some no name brand when you can have the best?" line on you as well ("no-name" brand doesn't mean it's not good quality).

Think about this for a moment and for the same moment, imagine that the differences in the cables really aren't that great and that both the cheap ones and the expensive ones will do the same thing. Just imagine that, then imagine how much money Circuit City will make if they sell 1000 cheap cables as opposed to 1000 expensive cables. Do you see where I'm going with this?

Of COURSE they're going to say the expensive cable is better, expensive means more profit for them. They don't want people buying cheap when they can get them to buy expensive, even though there's absolutely no difference between them. Just about every electronics store I've ever been in has worked the same way, they'll gladly persuade people to buy a higher model if they can, even if they don't need it.

(Y) Yup, that's the way it works.

I have a ?15 GAME HDMI cable and a ?4 ebay HDMI cable and there is NO difference between them - The cheap one being one of these "gold plated" HDMI cables.

There are no artifacts/no dots/no nothing. Cheapest is 1M long, GAME cable is 1.5 or 2M long.

Both output at 1080p on my display.