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MightyJordan

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Damn, the Reddit thread for that is insane. The amount of idiots in there commenting astounds me time after time.

I just saw them. It is a bit of a grey area; the three big incidents from the Styles Clash this year - Roderick Strong, Lionheart and Yoshitatsu - were all due to the sellers tucking their heads in, which is obviously the one thing you never do when taking that move, but as someone said in the Reddit thread, it's practically instinct for them. They learn to tuck their heads in when falling on most moves so they don't get hurt, and unfortunately that instinct has spread a few times to the Styles Clash and resulted in two broken necks this year (Roderick Strong was the lucky one out of the three).

 

Lionheart said pretty much the same thing earlier today in his plea to AJ to stop using the move...

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I'll make the assumption he sees this somehow so please read and share... I'd like to openly address him...

 

Firstly, I hope things are well for you and family... I wanted to write you because I feel it's important someone speak up in a more formal and diplomatic manner, as opposed to simply throwing abuse via anonymous social media ramblings...
 
Here's the truth... The move is not directly dangerous... It's a simple move in principle... Arms and legs locked, you fall forward, guy looks up/back, easy... The Styles Clash 'on paper' is a fairly safe and basic process...
 
That said, what is dangerous, is the instinctual reaction of your opponent... The wrestler taking the move, who like any wrestler taking any move, their safety and welfare is the priority...
 
Without ANY injuries, it could be argued that the mechanics of the move are unnatural, and injury could easily happen due to the physical restrictions and instinctual habits of the recipient... The numbers now are surely too great to even call it an argument?
 
I'm more than happy to be educated on my statistics, but there can be no move in wrestling history that carries more (documented) serious and potentially career threatening injuries than this... This, is what makes the move dangerous, whether indirectly or not...
 
Thus far, more specifically the last 12 months, several performers, actual experienced athletes, have been injured with this, 2 of them now with broken necks... The question I want to put to you honestly is, what does it take? What will it actually take for you to stop using this move, at the very least on an independent level, with people not necessarily exposed to the experience of working with you and taking the move semi regularly... How honestly will you feel the day you receive the news that the man you just wrestled has a broken neck and will never walk again? Statistically, that day is coming... It is a mathematical certainty...
 
I take this opportunity now, to openly and publicly beg you... Please, stop using the Styles Clash... You are unquestionably one of the greatest in ring performers of our time, I truly believe that... But the time is now, to put all pride, ego, blame aside, and acknowledge that irrelevant of fault, circumstance or anything else, the move is a direct risk and a danger to the safety and well being of your fellow wrestler...
 
All the best.
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Tyler Reks talked about an incident he had with John Cena over

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Wrestling INC: I have to ask about your issues about John Cena, and him lashing out at you for using the Burning Hammer finisher. What happened there?
 
Tuft: Well, we were at a house show and I was working Eddie Colon, who I knew pretty well. We were second or third on the card and I was going over using the Burning Hammer. When I put him up, he's supposed to be looking at the ceiling. It's like a moonsault for him and a sitout DDT for me. I don't know what we did, we were hurrying or something. He didn't land on his stomach, he landed on his back and it kind of looked like an F-U (Attitude Adjustment.) We were like, "oh crap, John Cena is going to be ######." We got to the back and John Cena was looking at a monitor and was just like, "ah, Reks. You're going to have to find a new finisher." He kind of smirked at me and I thought he was joking. I told him, "yeah man, sorry about that. It kind of got screwed up and we'll make it right tomorrow." I thought he was suggesting we get it right, not to make it look like his.
 
Personally I think the Burning Hammer-- my version of it-- looks way better than an F-U (laughs). I had approval from Vince and Arn and everybody. In a pre-session Arn asked me what my finisher was, and I said a Burning Hammer. He was like "It's a WHAT?!" and Dustin/Goldust goes, "here man I'll help you with it." Arn asked if he was sure, and we had this whole thing where agents were watching and John Cena was at the announce table and they had me give it to a bunch of different guys. Arn asked if Goldust was okay, and he said yes and it was easy to take. Arn said I was cleared to use it, and nobody said anything.
 
I used it at Bragging Rights 2010 and John was literally across the ring from me when I hit Santino Marella with it and never said anything to me then. I'd been using it for 8 months on Superstars and everything before all this. I come backstage happy after a good match with Eddie all excited and John grabs me in front of everyone and says, "what do you think you're doing? I thought I told you to get a new finisher." I said, "yeah, I thought you were joking John. We hit it wrong last night. I'm really sorry." He started yelling at me asking who gave me permission to use that. He belittled me, called me an idiot, and asked me if I enjoyed working here. I told him of course I do. He told me, "find another finisher or you're fired." I was humiliated, I was a full-grown man, why can't we talk about this like human beings?
 
I went outside to cool down, and I was ready to quit, to walk out. That didn't seem like a healthy workplace environment. I came back in and John Cena was sitting there by the curtain and I figured that I'd cooled off and he'd cooled off so I'll try to apologize one more time. I said, "John, I'm super sorry about this. I really thought it was just a miscommunication." He looks over at me and says, "what was there to be miscommunicated? I asked you to stop using that finisher, are you stupid?" He wouldn't even allow me to apologize. Finally I was just like, yeah, I'll find another finisher. He and I never really talked after that. That's the whole story of John Cena making me feel like a six year old boy.
The full interview's here (the Cena bit is on pages 2 and 3).
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According to the latest edition of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, TNA is looking to make the January 7th edition of Impact Wrestling on Destination America a ?reboot? for the series, as it heads into its 11th year on air. They are apparently working on new graphics and a visual change to the way the show is presented. 

 
Perhaps the biggest change is that former WWE announcer Josh Matthews will be replacing Mike Tenay, alongside Taz, as the new two-man commentary team for Impact every Wednesday. Matthews was let go by WWE earlier this year, and immediately signed with TNA as soon as his non-compete contact was up. They originally brought him in to be an announcer, and even relocated him to Nashville ? where TNA headquarters is located ? where he?s been working on various projects for the past few months, including a relaunch of the official company website.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/530317-josh-matthews-replacing-mike-tenay

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summary of the cm punk comments,for those that want to read and/or cant listen

"I looked Vince in the eye and I said, 'I do not love this anymore. I'm f----- sick, I'm f------ hurt, I'm f------ confused, I don't know as a business what we're doing anymore. Every day you tell me it's a team effort, but every day it's an individual effort by me to find what's necessary to even f-n come here. It's not fun. I have zero passion for this. I'm concussed, I'm hurt, and alls you care about is what segment I'm in and how soon I can get my gear on and how soon I can pee in this cup and I don't want to do it anymore.'

 

"I mentioned something about the ###### test and Hunter said, 'Well, you know, Dave (Batista) just took the same ###### test you did.' And I just looked at Hunter and went, 'Well, did you?' And he had nothing to say. I said (to McMahon), 'Look, I thought when I re-signed three years ago I told you if I couldn't be all that I said I could be, you could f----- fire me. And, if I was a fraud and anything less and fell short of the f------ mark - I said, 'I sold more shirts than John Cena until I turned heel for you. You said you owed me one. I worked guys that were dangerous and you said you owed me one. I did all these things and alls I wanted was the main event of WrestleMania. And it's fine if you don't think that is me and I'm not the caliber of that Superstar, but then you need to f------ fire me. Because I do not want to be here and I do not want to be anything else.' And then I will go somewhere else and get over because I can.

 

"You have shackled me, you have creatively stifled me, you have made this a very toxic environment, I no longer want to be here. It boggles my mind how Daniel Bryan has not figured into your plans to be in the main event of WrestleMania because this is his year. Just like two years ago when it was my year and I was white f----- hot, just like he is now, and what did you do? You fed me to this guy.' And I pointed to right at Hunter. Vince was like, 'This is the concussion talking. I can't believe you're saying any of this. It is a main event - you're wrestling Triple H."

 

"I politely turned to Hunter and I said, 'With all due respect, I do not need to wrestle you. You need to wrestle me. I do not want to wrestle you. I seriously resent you for not putting me over three years ago when you should have. That would have been best for business. But, you had to come in and squash it. And then I had to lose to Truth and Miz. It didn't make any business sense and now I'm in the position where I can tell you I don't have to nor do I want to wrestle you at WrestleMania. I don't care if I was supposed to win - which I was - I didn't want to give him the f------ privilege.

 

"I said a lot of s--- in there. I told them again - and Hunter was gritting his teeth, and he never liked me. Me and him in a room together - it was always negative vibes."

 

"Hunter told me I was in the main event because I wrestled The Undertaker," Punk continued. "I turned to him and said, 'Tell me I got paid the same amount of money as you, Brock, Cena, Rock, or whoever.' And once again, he had nothing to say. I was like, 'I'm out of here.' Vince, with tears in his eyes, went in for a hug, and it was like a reluctant patting on the back, then I looked at Hunter and he stuck his hand out and I shook his hand. I said, 'Goodbye,' and I walked out."

 

Punk said he had not officially quit the company at this point, which is "when the story got really good."

 

Vince McMahon texted him a week later and asked if he was ready to return yet, a sign that Vince really was not getting the message.  Punk had been wrestling for months with a mass on his back that he says WWE doctors refused to properly diagnose. Punk went to a doctor that AJ Lee recommended who told him the mass was "a full-blown staph infection."  When Punk told the doctor that he worked with the mass on his back for three months, Punk said the doctor told him: "You should be dead. You could have died."

 

Punk said Vince contacted him to tell him he's suspended for two months, with the suspension ending the day after WrestleMania. After the two month suspension was up, nobody from WWE contacted him. The next thing he heard about it was Vince McMahon telling investors that he was "on a sabbatical" and then his royalty checks stopped coming.

 

The royalty check issue was the "final straw" after all he had put up with. Punk recalled getting a text from Triple H on June 11, two days before his wedding to AJ Lee. Punk said he explained his situation to Hunter - he was getting married, going on his honeymoon and they could continue the discussion when he got back. On the day of his wedding, he received a FedEx package with his termination papers.

 

"I was fired on my wedding day," Punk said. That pushed him over the edge, especially clauses in the letter saying he forfeits all royalties and WWE claims a breach of contract retro-active to January.

 

Punk hired one of the top lawyers in Los Angeles to deal with the matter. Punk said he cannot talk about the terms of the settlement, but he "got everything I wanted and more." He said WWE owes him an apology for calling him a quitter in his home town of Chicago.

 

Punk said WWE was terrified of him going to TNA, but Punk's lawyer told them that Punk "absolutely despises pro wrestling" and he's "never going to wrestle again."

 

"There is no working relationship, and there never will be ever again. That wedding day thing was pretty ridiculous"

 

http://rajah.com/node/44464

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after listening to the whole thing, it doesnt seem like the wwe is entirely the bad guy. cm punk comes off as a self centered, entitled cry baby. treat me like cena or ######. then that shot he takes at jericho at the end, wow, really?

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after listening to the whole thing, it doesnt seem like the wwe is entirely the bad guy. cm punk comes off as a self centered, entitled cry baby. treat me like cena or ######. then that shot he takes at jericho at the end, wow, really?

wtf? How the hell do you get that from the podcast. Damn you're ignorant. Its the fact he pushes him self constantly. I cant see why Dave Wont ever come back either. I wont be surprise if Randy is next to Leave. Before assuming crap why not work for WWE yourself?? And why the end would he want to work with Jericho when his returns go no where in WWE. Its the same with RVD. He wants to work with new fresh talent. 

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?WWE takes the health and wellness of its talent very seriously and has a comprehensive Talent Wellness Program that is led by one of the most well-respected physicians in the country, Dr. Joseph Maroon."

 

Punk doesn't seem to think so.

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