p858snake Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Creative Goes After Driver Modder FreedomFighter writes: "Since the release of Windows Vista, Creative has promised their Sound Cards as being 'Vista Ready'. Unfortunately, as many unlucky customers did discover, this is not true. What the users actually found were buggy, feature crippled drivers. Creative insisted that features such as Decoding of Dolby? Digital and DTS signals and DVD-Audio which worked fine in WinXP, would not work on windows Vista. With Creative releasing less than one new driver a year, things seemed bleak. Fortunately, a talented user, Daniel_K, was recently able to 'fix' many of the drivers, enabling the incompatible features and also fixing many bugs. Just today Creative has decided to put a stop to this. They removed all links to his modified drivers, and banned several users who were posting links to the now banned drivers." Source:Slashdot Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSlow Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 I was reading about this on the Creative forums yesterday and I have to say its bad news for the creative customers. It just comes to show much of a bunch of money grabbing rip-off merchants creative actually are. I currently have an X-Fi, which is the last soundcard I get from creative! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian M. Veteran Posted March 29, 2008 Veteran Share Posted March 29, 2008 Wait, so this guy improved and fixed their software (i.e. he did their job) for free, and they've banned it?!? I think someone's brain at Creative is being overly "creative" about this. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReeper Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Damn that sucks. You would think they be happy for the guy to do there job for them for free even if they didn't show it but I guess creative's team didn't like being shown up by a single guy :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCheese Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) oh damn it, I have his drivers installed now and have made my Audigy 2 decent under Vista. I installed it under a temp account whist I was setting my system up so I don't think I have the installer anymore which is annoying. I nearly went and downloaded it again the other day to keep it in case I ever need to reinstall but I didn't >.< Creative are a bunch of idiots and I'm never buying any of there products again, If they had put as much effort into driver development as this guy has it wouldn't be so bad. Edited March 29, 2008 by DrCheese Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehemoth Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Awful. I will try to avoid any creative product in the future. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAR-DOG Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 it's available on the P2P network. Anyway, i think they banned and removed it, because they think it's somekind of trojanware :wacko: I guess noone of the Creative team checked the drivers if they really work... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299774 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Haha, check the thread on the Creative forums [link]. It's quite impressive that nobody supports Creative in this decision (but not surprising). Creative really have hurt them seleves in this market, for sure. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReeper Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 it's available on the P2P network.Anyway, i think they banned and removed it, because they think it's somekind of trojanware :wacko: I guess noone of the Creative team checked the drivers if they really work... What do u mean by "i think they banned and removed it" the P2P network or Creative. Creative would have probably checked out the drivers and probably knows that they do work but if you went read the forum post that is linked in the slashdot post it isnt about if the drivers worked or not. It was because he was using there IP and they consider his modding to be theft of there IP. Haha, check the thread on the Creative forums [link]. It's quite impressive that nobody supports Creative in this decision (but not surprising).Creative really have hurt them seleves in this market, for sure. I guess if they released 2 hardware identically cards with different drivers people would always opt for the cheaper one and use the modified drivers which in essence would make Creative lose money on its sale. Although banning Daniel_K will probably hurt the brands reputation more than his IP theft would have cost them. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCheese Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 hmpf, I agree that it was wrong that he was trying to get donations for it, Creative really had no choice I guess to stop him because of that, especially as they had "apparently" licensed some of the tech from other companies. If only creative stopped making such a mess of there own drivers. The amount of bad PR they have got out of all the mess with the vista drivers is insane. All of this is down to Creative having a monopoly in the standalone sound card market. None of this would have happened if creative had any decent competition. I'm glad that finally other companies like Acer and Asus are starting to step up. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagosilva29 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) Wait, so this guy improved and fixed their software (i.e. he did their job) for free, and they've banned it?!?I think someone's brain at Creative is being overly "creative" about this. It's Creative. What did you expected? <snip> I see, so... let a guy do their job learn from the guy (that would be surprising) guy starts requesting donations, buys new cards and equipament or food, who cares? hold it... let the guy make more stuff learn enough for a couple of updates, and then kill the guy Sounds perfectly sane to me. Edited March 29, 2008 by tiagosilva29 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McoreD Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Creative are a bunch of idiots and I'm never buying any of there products again, If they had put as much effort into driver development as this guy has it wouldn't be so bad. Ditto. :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregj66 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Boycott Creative Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGHammer Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 It's Creative. What did you expected? I think the issue with Daniel_K has to do with his modified Vista ISO for the Audigy series of sound cards (includes classic Audigy, but not Audigy SE, and the entire Audigy 2 line, including the ZS subseries): Daniel_K included ALchemy Audigy Edition, which Creative charges Audigy owners $9.95 for. That would indeed (legally) constitute IP theft per the law. That may be, indeed, the entire issue between Creative and Daniel_K (who has been a regular contributor in Creative's Sound Blaster and Windows Vista forums); he also made no secret of this in his posts in said forums (so it's not like Creative was unaware of what he was doing). What surprises me was that Creative took so long to bounce him (despite his inna-your-face attitude). I will also hazard a guess that a lot of the griping over Daniel_K's ejection is coming from Audigy owners that are running Windows Vista. (The only comment I will make vis-a-vis the Daniel_K situation is as follows: despite having used (and, in fact, having recommended) his modified Vista ISO for the Audigy sound cards (entirely because of the ease of use compared to downloading the individual items from Creative one at a time), I did wind up purchasing an X-Fi (specifically, the new-design XtremeGamer) for completely unrelated reasons.) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inactive Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Any decent company would have offered him a job. He obviously does it better than the talentless hacks they have working for them. Creative isn't a decent company though, I learned that years ago. They've been screwing their customers for years now. The whole charging customers for Alchemy nonsense just highlighted that. It's a shame they bought out and/or killed all of the competing sound card companies and standards. That's why they've been able to sit back doing nothing for so long and get away with it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 More reason to never buy Creative products. What a bunch of idiots. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrel Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Creative is on that brand new **** .. lol Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoochieMamma Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Haven't purchased any Creative product for many years, the integrated HD audio devices in newer motherboards nowadays are just fine for me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiceCarpet Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 (edited) Haha, oh wow read the thread posted by Harreh. Creative has a rather large fire on their hands, called for or not. Also don't you find it odd that with big company forums once there is a surge in angry people no one is around to answer any questions or comment on anything. Epic played the same way with the GoW 'crash and lose your saves' problem. Edited March 29, 2008 by NiceCarpet Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popcorned1 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 They basically shot themselves in the foot. Seeing how this 1 guy could do a better job than the team they have. They could hire less, but more talented people saving more money there. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 Wow, I think I've just witnessed the greatest display of asshattery ever! Seriously. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMaster23 Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 it's not too surprising that creative did what they did.... the modified packages contains software written by creative which you're aren't allowed to modify and then publish. also creative can't garrantue his modified drivers will work as they should. (not that theirs always do .. oh well :)) Creative could get sued if anyone uses drivers modified by someone else then Creative but carries the Creative logo/brand. In the end .. creative is responsible. If you were Creative, and you were sensible, you would do the same. That said .. Vista brings new audio architectures which make it hard for Creative to optimize every driver. Sure you can hack them sloppy .. however .. this often produces more problems then it fixes. I use an Audigy2 Ext Plat. for my main MCE downstairs .. everything works as it should .. DTS, DD, etc. Loving X-Fi Crystalizer on Vista workstation. I had some problems with some games about a year ago but the drivers have been stable for over 6 months now Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReeper Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 it's not too surprising that creative did what they did.... the modified packages contains software written by creative which you're aren't allowed to modify and then publish.also creative can't garrantue his modified drivers will work as they should. (not that theirs always do .. oh well :) ) Creative could get sued if anyone uses drivers modified by someone else then Creative but carries the Creative logo/brand. In the end .. creative is responsible. If you were Creative, and you were sensible, you would do the same. That said .. Vista brings new audio architectures which make it hard for Creative to optimize every driver. Sure you can hack them sloppy .. however .. this often produces more problems then it fixes. I use an Audigy2 Ext Plat. for my main MCE downstairs .. everything works as it should .. DTS, DD, etc. Loving X-Fi Crystalizer on Vista workstation. I had some problems with some games about a year ago but the drivers have been stable for over 6 months now Yeah thats all well and good but Daniel_K could tell that might be a potential problem and made people well aware that the drivers are not made by creative, not supported by creative and you use them at your own risk, dunno if this would stand up in court. If you tried to sue Creative because the drivers dont work Creative could just say they didnt encourage the use of his drivers and that if they had used official drivers the problems (reason of being sued) wouldnt have occured. I think it was not because of them doing some responsible or because of legal reasons but merely because they want more money by forcing people into paying for drivers instead and/or buying new hardware. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burned Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 oh damn it, I have his drivers installed now and have made my Audigy 2 decent under Vista. I installed it under a temp account whist I was setting my system up so I don't think I have the installer anymore which is annoying. I nearly went and downloaded it again the other day to keep it in case I ever need to reinstall but I didn't >.<Creative are a bunch of idiots and I'm never buying any of there products again, If they had put as much effort into driver development as this guy has it wouldn't be so bad. The answer to your problem: http://www.drivermagician.com/Lite.htm Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymous_user Posted March 29, 2008 Share Posted March 29, 2008 I never owned a Creative soundcard and now I don't think I ever want to. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/628428-creative-goes-after-driver-modder/#findComment-589299905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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