jtherrien Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 Does anyone have a great gdi++.ini they'd like to share? Here's mine (I think it's alright, but could probably use a bit more tweaking): [General] HookChildProcesses=1 HintingMode=1 AntiAliasMode=1 MaxHeight=0 FontLoader=1 GammaMode=0 GammaValue=1.2 Contrast=1 RenderWeight=1.2 NormalWeight=1 BoldWeight=1 ItalicSlant=1 LcdFilter=0 LoadOnDemand=1 CacheMaxFaces=32 CacheMaxSizes=32 CacheMaxBytes=4194304 BolderMode=0 TextTuning=-1 [Individual] Arial=RenderWeight,1 [Exclude] Marlett Segoe UI Consolas [ExcludeModule] fontview.exe msdev.exe devenv.exe gditray.exe explorer.exe [GdiTray] MultiINISelector=0 RedrawDelay=50 CoolMenu=1 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589466451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
virgo89 Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 http://localhostr.com/files/f4e58a/Picture%202.png Your comparing it to a real mac though, they are two different styles of font smoothing. Not even GDI++ will give you the exact same font rendering as a Mac :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589466736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 The newer version looks better - I'm a little concerned though that applying it always makes the Windows Live Contact manager crash, saying that DEP has prevented it from running..anyone else get this? always happens when I apply changed to the .ini Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589467153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 9, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 9, 2008 Your comparing it to a real mac though, they are two different styles of font smoothing. Not even GDI++ will give you the exact same font rendering as a Mac :p FreeType can get really close, if not better. What I don't understand is that it seems to render badly in GDI++ though, exact same settings on my old Linux installation gave me nice, thick looking bolds, etc. in GDI++ they're too thin. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589467303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjf288 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Thanks :)Wrong. GDI would make it bold, hence far from mac fonts. Depends on settings INI You can get it real close without making it "Bold" Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589467423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius Caro Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 I'm wondering.. I think the freetype thing that is bundled with linux systems is compiled without certain options that apple do use? http://freetype.sourceforge.net/patents.html#licensing However, the source code for the bytecode interpreter is still available and can be toggled on at compile time, for those that want to use it anyway (because they purchased a license from Apple, or because they are in a country where the patents do not apply, etc.). For details please check the documentation that comes with your FreeType source package (it normally involves changing one configuration macro). I want sexy mac os x fonts on linux too. I was close to getting them yesterday, the problem is as always... if you set the settings based on a certain fonts, there will be fonts that will look like crap anyway,it's not "uniform". But I'm kinda off topic since we're talking about windows Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589467803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 9, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 9, 2008 the patented bytecode interpreter is worse IMO than the auto-hinter. Especially with the MS fonts for some reason. Apple and MS ignore most of the hints anyway, so it doesn't give that much of a benefit. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589469345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubes Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 GDI only looks good on default windows fonts. The fonts I use are pre-smoothed, so if I use GDI over them it will look messed up. where do you get the pre-smoothed fonts?? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589474584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainyguy Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 jtherrien's configuration is great. Thanks. by the way, have anyone tried on Firefox 3? I tried and the words seem jumbled up whereas if i use opera / IE, no such issues. Firefox 2 seem fine though. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589484182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 15, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 15, 2008 GDI only looks good on default windows fonts. The fonts I use are pre-smoothed, so if I use GDI over them it will look messed up. What does that even mean? Got any examples? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589484524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamushroom Veteran Posted June 15, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 15, 2008 He means he's using anti-aliased fonts. Default fonts that are modified to make them look like fonts on OSX. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589484542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 15, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 15, 2008 anti-aliasing has nothing to do with the fonts though, that's the renderer's job. bitmaps fonts are 1 bit, unless it's some odd format. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589484558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamushroom Veteran Posted June 15, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 15, 2008 I meant that the fonts are moddified to look anti-aliased without using any render feature in Windows. Like when you use Bitstream Vera on Windows. Without using any type of render it still looks anti-aliased. With anti-aliased I mean that the font has smooth edges. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589484642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 16, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 16, 2008 If it's not a Bitmap font, it's a Vector font, if it's a Vector font and it doesn't have smooth edges it was because it was designed that way. anti-aliasing has nothing to do with the font (apart from the font can say at what sizes it should be anti-aliased, which can be overridden by the renderer anyway), it's entirely in the realm of the renderer. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589487141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rainyguy Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Hi all, This is what I meant. Please advise. Thanks. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589487215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiWanToby Posted June 17, 2008 Share Posted June 17, 2008 This makes Windows look like Gnome rendering. I only wish this worked on x64 :( Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589488876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamushroom Veteran Posted June 17, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 17, 2008 @The_Decryptor: Ah, alright. I always thought that those fonts where being smoothed without any renderer. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589489280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted June 17, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted June 17, 2008 This makes Windows look like Gnome rendering. I only wish this worked on x64 :( Same :( If the source code is available, surely someone with the knowledge can create a 64 bit compatible version, no? Ran this on Vista x64, works within firefox, but obviously not within Vista itself. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589489389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsadsads Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 (edited) Ok, I've had a quick look at the code. To my surprise, the code is actually rather good and the hooks are done using Microsoft's own detour hooking library, now here's the good news; Microsoft Detours is x64 compliant, so simply compiling under x64 should suffice. There is bad news however, only the professional copy of the Detours library will compile under x64. So unless somebody who has a copy of the library it's highly unlikely we'll get a x64 copy any time soon. Edited July 23, 2008 by x0r Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589578368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent-C Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I think I got mine quite close to OS X, but the title bar goes weird: Any idea how to fix that? I'll stay with this even it can't be fixed, since I don't look at the title bar much :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589580171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent-C Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Sorry for double posting, but does anyone knows how to make the GDI++ to start automatically at Windows startup? I did make it the program to start as I login to Windows, but it is not active when the program is started. I will need to right click the icon and activate it from there. Or there is a time delay before the thing works after being launched? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589582100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
imsobored17 Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Sorry for double posting, but does anyone knows how to make the GDI++ to start automatically at Windows startup? I did make it the program to start as I login to Windows, but it is not active when the program is started. I will need to right click the icon and activate it from there. Or there is a time delay before the thing works after being launched? i found out how right click on the shortcut u have in the start up folder and go to the target tab it should say X:\GDI++\gditray.exe "-on" it automaticlly skins the fonts on login Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589585633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pon Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Ok, I've had a quick look at the code. To my surprise, the code is actually rather good and the hooks are done using Microsoft's own detour hooking library, now here's the good news; Microsoft Detours is x64 compliant, so simply compiling under x64 should suffice. There is bad news however, only the professional copy of the Detours library will compile under x64. So unless somebody who has a copy of the library it's highly unlikely we'll get a x64 copy any time soon. I wonder if this might be useful? http://ntcore.com/Files/nthookengine.htm Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589591397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimatg Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Hi all,This is what I meant. Please advise. Thanks. I've been getting the same sort of problems when I'm trying to substitute fonts. But it's strange, cause the [FontSubstitutes] works fine for settings like Segoe UI=Lucida Grande but not Arial=Helvetica 55 Roman, which makes all the arial text jumbled like the screenshot above. same thing when trying to replace my ugly system korean fonts, any of these eng/kor fontname variations 굴림=맑은 고딕/ 굴림=Malgun Gothic/ Gulim=Malgun Gothic/ Gulim=맑은 고딕 would make the text get scrambled. Some other korean people on the web seem to get it work correctly, but i don't know why it's not working for me :( I wonder if this might be useful? http://ntcore.com/Files/nthookengine.htm And about GDI++ on 64-bit.. yea after reading some of the previous posts It looks like the assumption that only 32-bit apps are hooked is correct. I'm using Vista x64, and IE 32-bit gets smooth fonts all right but not the 64-bit IE. windows shell and Sidebar doesn't get smooth fonts either. Strange thing is, apps like Notepad sometimes gets hooked and sometimes not. And I noticed that when more than one notepads are open, only one of em is font-smoothed. a single explorer window very randomly seems to get hooked but not all of them again. @_@ My heads hurt.. PS: my current setting: [General] Name=H1/A2/L2/OD1-Kimatg20081018 Icon=%systemroot%\system32\shell32.dll,-155 HookChildProcesses=1 HintingMode=1 AntiAliasMode=2 MaxHeight=0 WidthMode=0 FontLoader=0 GammaMode=0 GammaValue=1.3 RenderWeight=1.0 Contrast=1.0 TextTuning=0 TextTuningR=-1 TextTuningG=-1 TextTuningB=-1 NormalWeight=6 BoldWeight=6 ItalicSlant=0 LcdFilter=2 LoadOnDemand=1 CacheMaxFaces=16 CacheMaxSizes=16 CacheMaxBytes=5242880 FontSubstitutes=2 UseMapping=1 FontLink=0 BolderMode=0 [Individual] [Exclude] Marlett [ExcludeModule] photoshop.exe gom.exe gomencmain.exe msnmsgr.exe [FontSubstitutes] "Segoe UI"="Lucida Grande" +and screenshot Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589986334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Shiv Posted October 18, 2008 Share Posted October 18, 2008 Could someone allow me to be lazy and PM me a link to a precompiled packaged for this font rendering style? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/639471-how-do-i-replace-cleartype-with-os-xs-lookalike/page/3/#findComment-589986368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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