offroadaaron Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 so its basically a windows Vista (or XP) 64bit. Windows Vista Windows Vista 64bit Windows XP Windows XP 64bit Leopard Snow Leopard Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Author Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 so its basically a windows Vista (or XP) 64bit.Windows Vista Windows Vista 64bit Windows XP Windows XP 64bit Leopard Snow Leopard What? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeR Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 They've just announced it, and it already has some new feature.What makes you think they aren't gonna have larger new features by the time it is released? The official Apple press release states it will not have significant features besides performance. They are officially calling it a evolution of the OS and not a revolution. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cara Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 The official Apple press release states it will not have significant features besides performance. They are officially calling it a evolution of the OS and not a revolution. I'm hearing jokes already of 'OS X Leopard: Second Edition' out of this. I have hopes for some feature upgrades, interface unifications, carbon removal... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Author Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 The official Apple press release states it will not have significant features besides performance. They are officially calling it a evolution of the OS and not a revolution. I would probably restate that as "end-user" features. Carbon removal isn't happening unless they plan on updating some major applications by release. (Final Cut) Hell--CS4 is still Carbon. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cara Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 I would probably restate that as "end-user" features.Carbon removal isn't happening unless they plan on updating some major applications by release. (Final Cut) Hell--CS4 is still Carbon. I'm more referring to removing the Apple coded Carbon from the OS, not the APIs. :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 Which system do you have if I might ask? :)Classic was the previous generations environment that was dragged along for quite some time, Apple decided to push the last few people using Classic to adopt OS X Coding and Applications by eliminating the option of using Classic. I have G4's but even I have to admit they are all very old and have had a killer life cycle. 1.25Ghz G4 eMac upgraded to 768MB of ram, it's getting old but works perfectly and still runs Leopard at an excellent speed. And was there really companies still writing Classic only programs? And how many people at Apple still use Classic? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timan Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 Arn't iTunes and QT still carbon? They both still feel like alien apps within osx. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cara Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 1.25Ghz G4 eMac upgraded to 768MB of ram, it's getting old but works perfectly and still runs Leopard at an excellent speed.And was there really companies still writing Classic only programs? And how many people at Apple still use Classic? The eMac 1.25... Released April 2004, Retired from Service May 2005. Retail price $1000USD. Assuming you got it in 2005... Over 4 years of full service, not a bad run for a $1000 machine. ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 The official Apple press release states it will not have significant features besides performance. They are officially calling it a evolution of the OS and not a revolution. OS X was a revolution. None of the individual releases have been a revolution. All have merely been evolutionary, but that's how it is with operating systems. The next big revolution will likely be a complete move away from the keyboard/mouse paradigm. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 The eMac 1.25...Released April 2004, Retired from Service May 2005. Retail price $1000USD. Assuming you got it in 2005... Over 4 years of full service, not a bad run for a $1000 machine. ;) Yeah, my mac's old and I can't get support, but the architecture was still being actively sold by Apple into 2006. Telling somebody who bought a brand new mac less than 2 years ago to buy a brand new mac would hurt. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev0| Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dude finder is still carbon. Carbon isn't going away. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Author Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 Dude finder is still carbon. Carbon isn't going away. Not yet--but it's inevitable. A Finder rewrite isn't nearly as hard as Final Cut or Photoshop would be. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev0| Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Not yet--but it's inevitable. A Finder rewrite isn't nearly as hard as Final Cut or Photoshop would be. Fair enough, but it's not going away in 10.6 that's for sure. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cara Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 Yeah, my mac's old and I can't get support, but the architecture was still being actively sold by Apple into 2006.Telling somebody who bought a brand new mac less than 2 years ago to buy a brand new mac would hurt. The final G4 powered machine was the Mac Mini (Late 2005) also known as PowerMac10,2, released in Sep 2005 and retired Feb 2006... So even the latest generation of the G4's are quite aged. :) Not yet--but it's inevitable. A Finder rewrite isn't nearly as hard as Final Cut or Photoshop would be. And wouldn't unifying the OS's core with all the same code be a good step towards optimizations? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyX Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Yeah, everything needs to rely on the exact same Codebase. It's also easier to squash the bugs I believe, since you have to update Cocoa frameworks and stuff only and the same problem is fixed in the whole OS. Otherwise you have to play in Carbon frameworks also. Unifying the OS is good for graphics, but also for programming, what end-users don't see or care. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 The final G4 powered machine was the Mac Mini (Late 2005) also known as PowerMac10,2, released in Sep 2005 and retired Feb 2006... So even the latest generation of the G4's are quite aged. :)... You've forgotten the iBooks, they were still G4 when they were replaced in May 2006 (so 2 years and a month ago) They should still be supported by Apple when "Snow Leopard" ships. Edit: Yeah, 3 year support, they're supported until May 2009. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 You've forgotten the iBooks, they were still G4 when they were replaced in May 2006 (so 2 years and a month ago)They should still be supported by Apple when "Snow Leopard" ships. Edit: Yeah, 3 year support, they're supported until May 2009. May 2009... sounds to me that its support will end before they ship snow leopard so... ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589476993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cara Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 You've forgotten the iBooks, they were still G4 when they were replaced in May 2006 (so 2 years and a month ago)They should still be supported by Apple when "Snow Leopard" ships. Edit: Yeah, 3 year support, they're supported until May 2009. Ya, I missed those! Somehow they didn't come up in my search, must not have been including notebooks. :p If they EOL/EOS by 10.6... : shrugs : It's anyones ballgame. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589477009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 May 2009... sounds to me that its support will end before they ship snow leopard so... ;) The numbers are vague "about a year" could mean more, could mean less. Even then it's down to double digit days of out of support periods ("Sorry, you're 45 days out of support.") Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589477042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jgrodri Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 one thing is for sure here.. if apple kills ppc support for 10.6, 10.7 will certainly not support 32-bit intel. My macbook's days are numbered :( Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589477678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 The numbers are vague"about a year" could mean more, could mean less. Even then it's down to double digit days of out of support periods ("Sorry, you're 45 days out of support.") it's not like leopard will stop working on these macs, new apps etc can still be used Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589477679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
1759 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I'm less than impressed with the info about 10.6, but dropping PPC and 32-bit is fine by me, as those are both old. (I've been running a 64-bit CPU in my desktop for years, thanks AMD), and my Mini is the C2D variety. The problem I have with 10.6, is the the expanded memory support, updated graphics, QT X (and I hate, hate, hate QT), don't do me any good. The rest about improved stability, speed, etc, just sound like Apple making excuses about Leopard, and wishing for a do over. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589477851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cara Veteran Posted June 12, 2008 Veteran Share Posted June 12, 2008 The problem I have with 10.6, is the the expanded memory support, updated graphics, QT X (and I hate, hate, hate QT), don't do me any good. The rest about improved stability, speed, etc, just sound like Apple making excuses about Leopard, and wishing for a do over. I don't recall Apple making, or needing to make, any excuses for Leopard... It's a rock solid OS with a feature set that exceeds anything previously presented by either Apple or Redmond. :) I suppose Apple has had to make excuses for Leopard making Vista look bad (Yes it's a cheap Dig, I'm entitled to one or two once in a while, I don't go open season on Windows. ;)) but that is about it. ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589477856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duritz Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 so would mi iBook G4 be considered a PPC? I wanted to maybe get leopard for it, it doesnt have to be snow leopard. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/6/#findComment-589477865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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