AltecXP Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Macworld: The standard version of Snow Leopard is a bootable ?full install? disc that doesn?t actually check for the presence of Leopard in order to install. This also means that if, at a later time, you want to wipe your hard drive and reinstall Snow Leopard, you won?t have to first install Leopard and then run a separate Snow Leopard upgrade on top of it. (That sound you hear is a thousand IT managers sighing with relief.)ef.) That doesn't say the Update requires it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591497682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted August 27, 2009 Author Veteran Share Posted August 27, 2009 That doesn't say the Update requires it. The up-to-date disc? That I don't know yet, but Macworld is clearly talking about the $29 "Upgrade" disc. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591497688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AltecXP Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 That's what I meant, Upgrade. I assumed by "standard" it means the $129 version. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591497690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted August 27, 2009 Author Veteran Share Posted August 27, 2009 That's what I meant, Upgrade. I assumed by "standard" it means the $129 version. The "Upgrade" disc is "Standard" now though. The $169 Box Set is only really necessary for people who want iLife and iWork now, since it's confirmed that the $29 disc can be installed on an empty hard drive without Leopard. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591497704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 The "Upgrade" disc is "Standard" now though. The $169 Box Set is only really necessary for people who want iLife and iWork now, since it's confirmed that the $29 disc can be installed on an empty hard drive without Leopard. Of course the $29 disk doesn't include a license to upgrade from anything but Mac OS X10.5 so the macbox set is also required for people that bought some of the first Intel macs and did not buy Mac OS X 10.5 but do want to upgrade to 10.6. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591497720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 The "Upgrade" disc is "Standard" now though. The $169 Box Set is only really necessary for people who want iLife and iWork now, since it's confirmed that the $29 disc can be installed on an empty hard drive without Leopard. Yup, I just did this earlier.? But it's a bit more hidden than in prior versions, as you no longer have a prompt letting you choose your type of install. Instead, you have to go into Disk Utility and physically erase your hard drive. Then you can do a clean install. Of course, what would happen if someone put the $29 SL DVD into a Mac that has Tiger on it? Would it still run the Installer application? What I mean is, you can put the $29 SL DVD onto a hard drive that already has Leopard, it runs the Installer application and then you can erase the Leopard install. But does it even let you proceed on a hard drive that has Tiger, Panther or even some other OS on it? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591497788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
giga Veteran Posted August 27, 2009 Author Veteran Share Posted August 27, 2009 Of course the $29 disk doesn't include a license to upgrade from anything but Mac OS X10.5 so the macbox set is also required for people that bought some of the first Intel macs and did not buy Mac OS X 10.5 but do want to upgrade to 10.6. Does it not? Mossberg, indirectly from Apple, is saying Tiger users can. Seems odd for them to reveal that info directly to Mossberg's column. Of course, what would happen if someone put the $29 SL DVD into a Mac that has Tiger on it? Would it still run the Installer application? Yes. The legality of it though is still in question. Panther isn't x86. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591497802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the evn show Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Does it not? Mossberg, indirectly from Apple, is saying Tiger users can. Seems odd for them to reveal that info directly to Mossberg's column. I'm going by this: How to get Mac OS X Snow Leopard.… Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard. If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.5 Leopard, just purchase Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard… Upgrading from Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger. If your Intel-based Mac is running Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger, purchase the Mac Box Set… Apple, Mac OS X Snow Leopard Tech Specs I'm with you in thinking it's very unlikely that Apple would change a policy like that without updating their own site and/or issuing updated press releases. His column seems to indicate the "yes, if you want to use unlicensed software then Apple isn't going to try and stop you". It'd be like pointing out that iLife doesn't have a cd-key or activation so you can just borrow your friends copy because Apple doesn't try to stop casual piracy. And, for owners of Intel-based Macs who are still using the older Tiger version of the Mac OS, Apple is officially making Snow Leopard available only in a “boxed set” that includes other software and costs $169. The reasoning is that these folks never paid the $129 back in 2007 to upgrade to Leopard. But here’s a tip: Apple concedes that the $29 Snow Leopard upgrade will work properly on these Tiger-equipped Macs, so you can save the extra $140. If you're going to go that far: why not just skip the pretence and snag a copy from The Pirate Bay (or whatever took it's place)? It's not like buying the $30 version gives you a license to use it on your 10.4-equiped. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591497836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Does it not? Mossberg, indirectly from Apple, is saying Tiger users can. Seems odd for them to reveal that info directly to Mossberg's column. Yes. The legality of it though is still in question. Panther isn't x86. Okay, so it technically would work, then. That's what I was getting out. Well then, knowing that, it does seem Snow Leopard really does just cost $29, for the "full" version. The $169 is solely for the box set. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilrich Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 My copy of Snow Leopard Shipped yesterday (yiiiippppiiiieee) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
furyshinobi Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 My copy of Snow Leopard Shipped yesterday (yiiiippppiiiieee) My one still says 'Prepared for shipment...ships August 28th.' Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si_ Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 woop mine shipped yesterday as well Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilrich Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 My one still says 'Prepared for shipment...ships August 28th.' We are a go go go!!! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbba Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Macworld: The standard version of Snow Leopard is a bootable ?full install? disc that doesn?t actually check for the presence of Leopard in order to install. This also means that if, at a later time, you want to wipe your hard drive and reinstall Snow Leopard, you won?t have to first install Leopard and then run a separate Snow Leopard upgrade on top of it. (That sound you hear is a thousand IT managers sighing with relief.)ef.) The original post stated "To do an upgrade you will need to have Leopard installed" I questioned whether this was a known fact or not. I don't think it's known yet however imop I think technically the upgrade disc is exactly the same as the standard/full version. The difference is only in terms of the legality and license for it's use. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+John. Subscriber¹ Posted August 27, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted August 27, 2009 Confirmed that UK shipments are currently on their way. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
temple_treefrog Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Actually Microsoft charges $0 for its upgrades to its OS's unlike Apple. (Service Packs they call them)Microsoft will be charging $49 for an upgrade to Windows 7 OS from Vista (Home Premium) Sorry, I didnt mean to remove the wool from your eyes... carry on There's always one... lol :rolleyes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+John. Subscriber¹ Posted August 27, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted August 27, 2009 Actually Microsoft charges $0 for its upgrades to its OS's unlike Apple. (Service Packs they call them)Microsoft will be charging $49 for an upgrade to Windows 7 OS from Vista (Home Premium) Sorry, I didnt mean to remove the wool from your eyes... carry on Jog on, Troll. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
what Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Confirmed that UK shipments are currently on their way. Whoop :) EDIT: WTF? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+John. Subscriber¹ Posted August 27, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted August 27, 2009 Whoop :)EDIT: WTF? I saw that as well. I think it's only in case they miss the Friday deadline, and are pushed back by the Weekend. Hopefully, anyway. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyX Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Hmmm, mine STILL hasn't shipped. I pre-ordered it August 20th and live in Canada. It doesn't even say "prepared for shipment", it just says "not yet shipped". Is it because I ordered it too late, or because I'm in Canada, or maybe even both? :p Some say it's supposed to be delivered the next day they ship, but Apple says it should take between 4 and 6 days... strange. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 My Up-To-Date kit won't be delivered until September 1st either according to the Apple Store. Kinda blows. :/ @PsykX I ordered mine this Sunday so I doubt that's the reason. My best bet is it's because you're Canadian. ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591498814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PyX Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Because I'm Canadian? Well, as we say... Blame Canada! Blame Canada!!! Does anyone know what's new in Boot Camp 3.0 if this is the one included in Snow Leopard? For instance, if I'm installing Snow Leopard and it's almost 64-bit from top to bottom, I was thinking about installing Windows 7 64-bit and all my engineering applications on that (if / when they work on this platform). Last time I tried installing Windows 7 64-bit on my iMac, I remember having so many problems that I just decided to abandon this... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591499028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Helix Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) Because I'm Canadian? Well, as we say... Blame Canada! Blame Canada!!!Does anyone know what's new in Boot Camp 3.0 if this is the one included in Snow Leopard? For instance, if I'm installing Snow Leopard and it's almost 64-bit from top to bottom, I was thinking about installing Windows 7 64-bit and all my engineering applications on that (if / when they work on this platform). Last time I tried installing Windows 7 64-bit on my iMac, I remember having so many problems that I just decided to abandon this... ive installed 7 RTM x64 on my early 2009 iMac just fine with boot-camp 2.1 x64 vista drivers, you just can't use the auto-run installer you have to run the x64 msi from the OS X DVD driver folder, or download 3.0 ripped from the 10a432 DVD from a torrent and try those infact i have 10.5.8, SL 10a432, Vista SP2x64 and 7 RTMx64 on the same system drive i still don't believe Windows 7 is officially supported by apple in either 32 or 64 boot-camp 3.0 since it has not yet been released by MS yet, however the 3.0 boot-camp drivers should work fine Edited August 27, 2009 by Phantom Helix Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591499064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabron Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 So guys, its confirmed that Quicktime X will not be release for Leopard and Windows? I will not be updating to SL anytime soon. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591499260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Helix Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 So guys, its confirmed that Quicktime X will not be release for Leopard and Windows? I will not be updating to SL anytime soon. I highly doubt it as i Mentioned several times, however nothing has been confirmed yet, if anything Leopard is more likely than windows and both leopard and windows if anything might only get the UI and not the actual features Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/642366-mac-os-x-snow-leopard-discussion/page/51/#findComment-591499270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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