ViperAFK Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Actually freedom of speech isthat you CAN publically say you aregay, and you canpulically say you don't like gays, or any else, without being arrested for saying your opinion.It also means you have the right to hold pro gay parades, as well as hold legal anti gay, or anti Islam demonstrations. (notice the use of theword legal, there'sa difference between legal and illegal demonstrations) Yoursentancestructureoffendsme Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Dash8 Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Actually freedom of speech isthat you CAN publically say you aregay, and you canpulically say you don't like gays, or any else, without being arrested for saying your opinion. Wrong.... if I publicly say I hate jews, then I'm branded as anti-semitic (which actually is illegal) and that can land me in jail. Double standard much?? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Yoursentancestructureoffendsme My keyboard offends me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted September 13, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted September 13, 2008 This is half the people in this topic What a rabble. The internet is full of dodgy stuff, just avoid what you don't want to read/see. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Wrong.... if I publicly say I hate jews, then I'm branded as anti-semitic (which actually is illegal) and that can land me in jail. Double standard much?? The only place I'm aware that it's illegal to show any anti jew demonstrations or such, is in Germany, well probably israel. But then Israel throws the word Anti-Semitism at anyone the second soeone points out they do something wrong or critisize them. over here anyway, we are in our full right to hold legal demonstrations to protest the building of a jewish synagoge if you don't think they should be allowed to build a synagoge there. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted September 13, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted September 13, 2008 Wrong.... if I publicly say I hate jews, then I'm branded as anti-semitic (which actually is illegal) and that can land me in jail. Double standard much?? No that is protected under the First Amendment, You can't say that while burning down a Synagogue . You also can't yell fire in a crowded Theater . Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouldy Punk Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 No that is protected under the First Amendment, You can't say that while burning down a Synagogue . You also can't yell fire in a crowded Theater . Not every country has the first amendment though. The problem with even attempting to police the internet is, who's laws do you use? What's acceptable by 1 countries laws isn't by another country's. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsheron Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 It's not racist at all. The Muslims are not a race, however much the ignorant believe so/want to believe so. They are a religious community with adherents from all nations/countries - and surprisingly so. There are MORE Muslims outside of the Middle East than in it. This game is, however, ignorant, "evil" - as much as that can be defined, infantile, wreckless, harmful, inciteful to hatred and abhorrent to those of fair and rational minds. As such it will we welcomed and "defended" by a significant and vocal minority of those here on Neowin and in the mass media. This is nothing new and fits in nicely with an apparently concerted effort on the part of the "mass media" to disseminate propaganda inciting such "religious hatred". Like it or not, it's working. The ignorant majority (unfortunately) amongst us love this kind of stuff. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
adsadsads Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 I'm finding this whole issue to be a bit stupid... This game is quite distasteful and it will probably offend a fair share of people but nobody is being forced to play it, just as you may not like a certain radio station; you can tune out. So why are people complaining? Sure, you don't like it but it doesn't mean you can impose your own views on someone else. The really interesting flip-side would be if I made a game called 'Scientology Slaughter' and noted the general response from people. Some people may find it funny and satirical in a sense, some may find it distasteful. Either way, nobody is being forced to play the game. If you don't like it, don't play it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted September 13, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted September 13, 2008 I'm finding this whole issue to be a bit stupid...This game is quite distasteful and it will probably offend a fair share of people but nobody is being forced to play it, just as you may not like a certain radio station; you can tune out. So why are people complaining? Sure, you don't like it but it doesn't mean you can impose your own views on someone else. The really interesting flip-side would be if I made a game called 'Scientology Slaughter' and noted the general response from people. Some people may find it funny and satirical in a sense, some may find it distasteful. Either way, nobody is being forced to play the game. If you don't like it, don't play it. Yes you are correct, The NET can't be policed, but people should use some common decency. You may think that anything you place on the NET is OK, but you can be sued for all kinds of things. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scirwode Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 I'm a Muslim and though many may think I should be angry, I'm not. Do you want to know why? Because I know my religion because it is what I practice. A game is not going to change my views or my beliefs. If anything, it just strengthens it. Also, I realise it is a game, and for that you never believe that anything in a game is real. If we did, we might imagine that there is such a thing as a Zombie, or even a Key Sword :p . Again, I may have a problem with the concept of the game, but I'm not being forced into playing the game now, am I :p ? Scirwode Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 if this is about internet free speech, is a hateful response to this game also counted as free speech? like so as to be 'the other side of the story' , so to speak... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCheese Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Freedom of Speech is to promote your thoughts and voice your opinions in any manner you like as long as it does not voilate the rights of others. Hate jews? Great. Keep it to yourself. Blacks suck? Awesome. Keep it to yourself. Gays on your nerves? Teriffic. Keep it to yourself. This is known as hate speech as im sure you all are aware of. You can talk about anything that you like, government, politics, finance, family , but the moment you start deviating to the intent of harm (whether it be verbally or physically) you are causing a problem in society. Hate will only be responded with more hate, and this will create a negative atmosphere for everyone. This is exactly why these laws were created. Keep your hate inwards and your positives outwards and society would be a much cleaner place. Remember, Freedom of Speech is a privledge not a blank check for you to abuse. It has its limitations and its not "full freedom of speech or no freedom of speech". As I've said in this thread many times, in the US there is NO laws banning hate speech. In other countries around the world, yes. And freedom of speech should never be called a privilege, privileges can be taken away. As far as I'm concerned it should be considered an inalienable right It's not racist at all. The Muslims are not a race, however much the ignorant believe so/want to believe so. They are a religious community with adherents from all nations/countries Agreed. It bugs me how people try to class religious groups as races. It's no different than grouping people by other methods and trying to claim they are a race. if this is about internet free speech, is a hateful response to this game also counted as free speech? like so as to be 'the other side of the story' , so to speak... haha! Exactly. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minimoose Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 The person who made it must be very childish or ignorant, but I wouldn't really care if there was a game online about slaughtering the English, I'd probably play it actually. Also this could be classed as racist if all the people you are killing are middle eastern, but if it had muslims with different ethnicity then surely its just anti-Islamic :) I agree with the post above with freedom of speech being a right rather than a privilege. The problem with freedom of speech is that ignorant people are often mislead by other ignorant (or twisted) people. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticWhisper Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 It's been said already, but absolutely not. I'm an Irish male twentysomething atheist libertarian (note the small "l") midwesterner from the US. Someone could make "Mick Massacre," "American Annihilator," "Twentysomething Terminator," "Holy Vengeance: Aerate the Asinine Atheists," "Libertarian Lyncher 2009," "Felicity the Feminist in: Male Mauler" or...think of something for Chicagoans, I can't at the moment...and I would still say that it's not cause to regulate the internet. Someone could make a game about killing me personally and while I might seek legal recourse against that person, I still would not call for regulation of the internet. Freedom of speech is Just Too Goddamn Important to throw away over something like offending stupid religious sensibilities, no matter what religion they come from. Until someone makes a game about killing you specifically, one that names you by your real name and possibly goes into enough detail to be considered a death threat, cool your damn jets. And when/if that does happen, seek retribution against the individual who committed the crime, not against the millions who use the Internet as the wonderful source of information that it is. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budious Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 I believe the Internet to neutral ground not governed by local, state, or federal powers of any sovereign nation. The choice of a government to sanction access to content by powers granted through it's legislature, only extend to the end users who reside within it's borders and citizens to block and deny accessing to offending content, but not the power to force the removal of the content from a source protected by free speech. Once you begin going down the path of censoring the net, it will get out of control too fast and go too far, I'd prefer to have a few things I don't agree with than seeing a lot of the things that don't offend me but do others being removed. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CelticWhisper Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Exactly. Voltaire said it best: "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwjw1 Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 This is half the people in this topic +! lol is she saying? "It should be banned"...LOL Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanctified Veteran Posted September 13, 2008 Veteran Share Posted September 13, 2008 Exactly. Voltaire said it best: "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Well, in fact it wasnt Voltaire who said that, but it was a biographer talking about him :p but we all understand. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigapixels Veteran Posted September 13, 2008 Veteran Share Posted September 13, 2008 Well I had some things to say but they've already been said. The internet should be left alone. Who is to say what's right and what's wrong? There are far too many differing opinions about what should be allowed that it would be hard enough to come to a consensus let alone enforce it. or even a Key Sword :p . Keyblade. Jeez, how could you possibly forget the name of such an awesome weapon? :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecotrojan Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 cant they make a game called Christian Massacre ? I dont find that offensive - does anyone else Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeroday Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 Being Muslim myself, I find the game very distasteful, but I would never agree to regulating the Internet. There is only one possible end result of doing that: Mass censorship by Governments, even democratic ones, and then a loss of freedom of speech. If the game falls under current legislation regarding hate crimes, inciting violence, etc, then it should be removed. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas-c Veteran Posted September 13, 2008 Veteran Share Posted September 13, 2008 If you don't enjoy it, then pay no attention to it and move on with your life.Lets not regulate the internet please. +1 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hak Foo Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 So if I came out with a game that say gave to 15 points for every Black Person that you can hang, you would not have a problem with that? Frankly, no. The issue isn't what the developer produces, it's how the audience acts on it. I have no problem with a game where you attack (insert specific ethnic group of choice here). Is it really any different from Duke Nukem blowing up pig-shaped alien cops? If anything, people spending their time playing that are not actually committing hate crimes, and maybe the press it gets can help trigger mature discussions of "is this how the world sees the characters involved?" I think the reaction isn't to the game itself, when you get down to it, but more the fact that it's a symbol-- a symbol that we obviously don't have racial and cultural relations down as smoothly as we'd want. It's like how people explode over the N-word, instead of just sighing softly and treating it as a simple crude/designed-to-get-a-reaction word choice. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stavr0s Posted September 13, 2008 Share Posted September 13, 2008 LOL @ this game and story and all the whining pc brigade without a sense of humour, dont like it, dont play, its not that difficult. for those that dont take it to seriously and want a laugh or want to play it, i found some mirrors http://rapidshare.com/files/145006576/musl...ssacre.rar.html http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=13f40a4...8dc5d29f694de58 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/669278-does-muslim-massacre-game-show-a-need-for-internet-regulation/page/4/#findComment-589786562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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