Does "Muslim Massacre" game show a need for Internet regulation?

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Grand Master

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yes it is hurting Muslims! although there are Muslims here that said that they arent hurt and that they dont care, i still find it very offensive that something of this nature is created, whether it be toward Islam, Catholicism, Judaism, Christianity, etc!

Hurting your feelings is not the same as actually hurting you. If this "hurts your feelings," you need to re-evaluate what you find important in life.

its different... killing Caucasians vs Christians is different. killing all Arabs vs killing all Muslims is different. killing all Indians vs killing all Hindus is different. and finally, killing Caucasians vs killing ALL Caucasians is different. (Note that I dont mean to say that all Christians are Caucasian, nor vice versa, etc)

Why? You have an argument but nothing to back it up. Why is it different? It's still killing an entire people because of one single criteria, be it race or religion.

The problem is you're letting it get to you. You need to put it in perspective. How is the game affecting you in any way? If you can think about that in a calm manner, you'll realize that it actually doesn't. It's just some stupid game posted on the internet, and it's not going to change your life in any way, no matter how much it may offend you.

Grand Master

primexx

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In America (at least), That's explicitly legal.

The justification is along the lines of "laws don't apply to made up/imaginary characters", you can't exactly charge a drawing with rape.

I love the free speech protections in the US.

:yes: :yes: :yes: Its just like a driving license.. if u have a license to drive it does not mean u have the license to run over ppl..

If you're willing to give away the most fundamental freedom anyone could possibly have, then you've essentially given away all your freedoms and liberties in favour of an illusion of them.

this is hilarious, justifying hate/disrespect to a group/race with the label of freedom of speech. There should be freedom of actions aswell to give complete human rights. If there cant be freedom of actions, why is there freedom of speech ? just like actions can hurt somebody, speech can aswell. And since we need to ban some of the human actions, we need to ban some of the speech aswell to keep peace.

And your trying to justify severely limiting freedom of speech (a fundamental freedom) in the name of hurting peoples' feelings (a subjective, undefined, intangible concept).

Your argument about freedom of action is a non-sequiter.

Grand Master

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Ya know, everything needs to be regulated as to be sure no one is offended. The gubment does such a fantastic job at every it does, why not let them have more power over people.

:rolleyes:

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Huh?

This is no different to a pirate radio show or a home-made spoof DVD a mate lends you. Nobody is forcing you to watch it. Wouldn't Germans be offended by Wolfenstein? How is this different than someone shouting that all Westerners are infields and should be slaughtered? Just the medium - one is vocal and the other is via the net.

The internet should be free and open. The definition of the internet is a inter-connected mesh of various networks. It's just a digital way of going down the pub and talking to strangers. There is no difference other than people have to COME to your website rather than you approaching them.

People often forget that inter-person communication happened long before the internet. So did piracy, so did racism, so did satire/irony. The internet is just a communication tool between computers. Nothing more.

Is the game in bad taste? Personally, I don't think so. The author subtlety takes the micky out of US foreign policy and the media about portraying all Muslims are terrorists - which obviously isn't true.

However I can see why others will be offended. However the clue is in the title and if you think it maybe offensive then don't go to the website.

The Internet is unlike other mediums such as shouting out in a street - you have to go to the content. It's not going to present itself to you without your input. As such why should it be moderated or banned? Realistically - how could it?

Additionally, the open-ness and "freedom" we have with the internet can be used to provide a retort. Anyone can do it with a bit of knowledge and time. I think that's a pretty good example of freedom rather than banning stuff and closing off sites which in the long terms is neither possible (darknets, a new "interweb", the quantity of sites etc.) nor ideal.

I find a group on facebook about the USA having it's independence revoked and being a part of the UK funny. However patriots could be offended.

Thankfully they either look away (what harm is it actually doing?), and some have created the reverse where the UK should be made part of the USA. It's satirical and ironic which I find quite funny.

I didn't have to read it. It wasn't shown up on my screen without my consent and I made a decision to view it knowing the title would be about countries and p*ss taking.

But I'm and adult and thought that I would find it amusing - or at least would just leave it and ignore it forever.

People - please - grow up! I don't need nannying, I don't need censorship and I don't want to be going through the world with forced blinkers on. Don't like it? Don't play it.

Offended by the title? Post it on a blog or a forum. Create a retort ("Christian Killings").

Bottom line.... who cares?

You? Well I suggest you take up fishing or air-fix till the world is more suited to your sensitive and busy-body attitudes.

Grand Master

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Huh?

This is no different to a pirate radio show or a home-made spoof DVD a mate lends you. Nobody is forcing you to watch it. Wouldn't Germans be offended by Wolfenstein? How is this different than someone shouting that all Westerners are infields and should be slaughtered? Just the medium - one is vocal and the other is via the net.

The internet should be free and open. The definition of the internet is a inter-connected mesh of various networks. It's just a digital way of going down the pub and talking to strangers. There is no difference other than people have to COME to your website rather than you approaching them.

People often forget that inter-person communication happened long before the internet. So did piracy, so did racism, so did satire/irony. The internet is just a communication tool between computers. Nothing more.

Is the game in bad taste? Personally, I don't think so. The author subtlety takes the micky out of US foreign policy and the media about portraying all Muslims are terrorists - which obviously isn't true.

However I can see why others will be offended. However the clue is in the title and if you think it maybe offensive then don't go to the website.

The Internet is unlike other mediums such as shouting out in a street - you have to go to the content. It's not going to present itself to you without your input. As such why should it be moderated or banned? Realistically - how could it?

Additionally, the open-ness and "freedom" we have with the internet can be used to provide a retort. Anyone can do it with a bit of knowledge and time. I think that's a pretty good example of freedom rather than banning stuff and closing off sites which in the long terms is neither possible (darknets, a new "interweb", the quantity of sites etc.) nor ideal.

I find a group on facebook about the USA having it's independence revoked and being a part of the UK funny. However patriots could be offended.

Thankfully they either look away (what harm is it actually doing?), and some have created the reverse where the UK should be made part of the USA. It's satirical and ironic which I find quite funny.

I didn't have to read it. It wasn't shown up on my screen without my consent and I made a decision to view it knowing the title would be about countries and p*ss taking.

But I'm and adult and thought that I would find it amusing - or at least would just leave it and ignore it forever.

People - please - grow up! I don't need nannying, I don't need censorship and I don't want to be going through the world with forced blinkers on. Don't like it? Don't play it.

Offended by the title? Post it on a blog or a forum. Create a retort ("Christian Killings").

Bottom line.... who cares?

You? Well I suggest you take up fishing or air-fix till the world is more suited to your sensitive and busy-body attitudes.

Maybe EPIC should market this game. They would have to fix it up a bit. The game sucks. It is an EPIC FAIL!

Grand Master

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it amazes me how much energy is displayed over the condemnation and i'm sure death threats over a game that allows other people to kill other people...yet nothing seems to be displayed when people are killing their own people in the REAL world. How about we regulate the killing in the Real World and let the game just be what it really is...just a F****** Game that goes away when you turn off the computer.

Grand Master

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Adult content: $10 says some Muslim retaliates by making a Sim City-type game called "Sim Auschwitz" :|

I'm just kidding. That isn't funny. :whistle:

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DDStriker

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that's what anyone would say if they want to stay alive without hiring a security detail.
To be honest I'm not sure if that was really his intent. It looks more of an excuse but at least he took appropriate measure in issuing an apology.

It showed the guy on tv his intentions seemed legitimate people are just stupid plain and simple (well not for some)

Its just a game i don't see the issue i'm a muslim i think its awesome that people make games like this everyones needs to just relax

how can someone (who's not even muslim) be offended by this?

If a game called "Christian Massacre" were to come out, Christians would be told to suck it up because it's a form of free speech.

haha haha haha

if the game was called Christian Massacre the second it appears on the internet it will be attacked

...then when the guy apologizes and takes it down they will demand money =P just like the Church in Manchester XD

but seriously if your being offended by a game like this then you need to get the internet because theres alot worse out there

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kaiwai

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It should be shutdown ASAP. It is racist and disgusting.

At what point did Islam/Muslims become a race? Can Christianity be a race to? how about deist? when people question my beliefs - and I allowed to scream "racist"?

Why do I also hear nothing but silence from you when it comes to Muslims spreading anti-Christian and anti-Jewish propaganda?

Grand Master

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I haven't read any of the thread but I will read replies to my post :)

I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the players are responsible teens and adults who play the game either because they see it for what it is: either something so offensive that it won't see the light of day anywhere else, or an ironic twist of fate: A political commentary of an American GI blowing up innocent people which is why its called "Massacre". Are you proposing we censor stuff from the past because it is also in the same context (Indiana Jones, Rambo movies, Star Wars, Star Trek, Cowboy movies, and a lot of other popular movies/TV shows that aren't SCIFI)

The game doesn't generally impede on Freedom of Speech in the US and similar laws in other countries. It doesn't in itself make any argument for Internet censorship. I see a lot worse on the news. The reason for censorship is clear when the footage clearly is in violation of the law. Jaywalking 101 won't work, but Child Pornography, I'm sure 99.9% of the population in the Western World will agree that it needs to be censored. The servers hosting this crap in Western countries I'm sure are pulled (I say this because I'm NOT SURE about what other countries do/tolerate). That would be a clear need for censorship.

If you censor M. Massacre, then you risk censoring a lot of other things. Conspiracy theorists, paparazzi, news leakers, opponents to this law or that POV.... etc. etc. We used to censor people by killing them in the 1600s. Heathens, scientists, people who could read/write, people that were thought to be witches and warlocks. I don't propose censorship, because even if technically possible, were' setting the clock WAY back.

And frankly, seeing stuff like this makes me MORE supportive of not doing it in real life. I have 0.0000 tolerance for racism, because I've seen a lot of serious fighting happen because of it. Seeing it in a video game, IMO, makes the same point. At least for the 99% of the responsible audience.

Grand Master

primexx

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At what point did Islam/Muslims become a race? Can Christianity be a race to? how about deist? when people question my beliefs - and I allowed to scream "racist"?

Why do I also hear nothing but silence from you when it comes to Muslims spreading anti-Christian and anti-Jewish propaganda?

I just want to correct an earlier post of mine which said basically the same thing you did, except I mistook 'muslim' for being a race (I was thinking something else :p).

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SiCKX

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Cool (Y) He did the right thing imo.

The game is back,with a warning.

http://www.muslimmassacre.com/

Go to ANY country in the Middle East, go to India/Pakistan, Indonesia, Philippines (all of these countries have alot of Muslims) and the people there will treat you with so much respect, and give you some of the best hospitality (especially if youre white, and you say youre from America)

You try and go to Saudi Arabia,without being a money spending ######.You will see the respect you get. :rolleyes: The game wasn't aimed at the countries you speak of.It was mainly the Iraq crap and Iran and the countries where the everyday bomb killing children is like saying hi.Try Algeria...

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Kralik

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I totally agree with this guy ... you have the COD game where you kill germans, you have the GTA killing americans, now you have this to kill muslims ... oh and almost forgot, and you have ninja to kill asians ....

is just a game man ... if you are offended don't play it .. you hate it then STOP SURFING THE NET ....

oh and i have a right ... FREEDOM TO PLAY< READ< TALK

BUZZZZ!!! WRONG!!! The difference between this game and games like COD and CnC is theme.. they are military games.. based on war where u kill German or Soviet SOLDIERS (and they can kill you too).. IN A WAR.. this game is purely racist.. with a theme to kill EVERY MUSLIM.. man.. woman or child.. they even went to insult the religion by suggesting to kill the God and the man every muslim child dreams to be like.. Muhammad.. may God bless him.. This is an offensive and unjustifiable racist attack. If it was based on the theme of attacking the terrorist who happen to be muslim and find and kill them.. even brutally.. we would not have any problem with this at all.. but this is racist.. and im sorry no intelligent and open-minded human being can ever try to justify racism in their right minds...

See what happens if you make a game where (God forbid) u kill Moses and the then every jew.. im sure if that were to happen it would not come from a muslim as we respect ALL prophets as our own... im sure the US will ban it and force the country where it is hosted to ban it..

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Grand Master

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For God's sake (and it's the same God after all) there are distinctions between crude sentiments and reasoned arguments and if you can't discern between such then you should just not participate in any forum other than talk-back radio.

There are also, in the course of reasoned argument, aspects of satire and derision which are elements employed in this game.

It should be viewed as it was proposed by it's author, as a critique on America's toxic foreign policy.

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I can't believe you would even ask something as stupid as this. No. The internet does not need to be regulated by anyone. Right now we have everyone's voice and opinion, after you 'regulate' it, you'll have only the regulators opinions. Everyone has their idea of how to run everyone else's life, so far in the internet we have one place where there is still some freedom left, and you want to remove that freedom because a game might offend a militant segment of a religion?

No.

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