Steven P. Administrators Posted October 16, 2008 Author Administrators Share Posted October 16, 2008 Sorry but I don't like it. So you see, you can never make everyone happy Richard.. in a perfect world however..... Here's my constructive criticism of it (unlike many posts I've seen bash this new design) The ad on the right pushes down ATW stories out of view, we've catered for low screen sizes too. The Theme bar is too "cramped" and not how we envisioned it, in it's current size (default, fixed) the 2 promo images wouldn't fit and they can't be any smaller than they are now. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted October 16, 2008 Global Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2008 That's perfect, Neobond take a look at this design, I think it makes more sense and looks much greater! I don't like it :no: the top menu is overly "busy" and doesn't really flow Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundayx Veteran Posted October 16, 2008 Veteran Share Posted October 16, 2008 Having the square ad in the dead center and having it slightly to the right does not significantly change CPM and ad revenues does it. Anyways thanks Neowin for listening to us, good to hear it's being improved so quickly. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hammond Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Id rather the top be busy then having a massive ad in the middle of the page it puts me off wanting to read the articles. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Steve B Subscriber² Posted October 16, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted October 16, 2008 I can't point out the exact reason but, with the old style when I came to Neowin, my eyes would just be automatically drawn to the main page articles...which is what I would first read on Neowin anyway and if I wanted to read the ads I could. Now, with this new layout it doesn't happen. I think with the old style there was a bit more emphasis on the news articles and less on the side items. Now, it seems more balanced and with less on articles, more on side items causing my eyes not to be automatically drawn to what I would read anyway. I like the old way better....don't get me wrong, it looks nice in all but, I feel the old way was better. LOL, I really hope that makes sense. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted October 16, 2008 Global Moderator Share Posted October 16, 2008 If people clicked on the ads a little bit more, maybe they could use fewer ads :o Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalsoft Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Love the new tweaks, crazy how little but big the difference is when reading it. well done! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hiroshi- Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Would the graphical changes come to the actual forum now as well? They don't look very similar anymore and it would help unify the entire website. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rappy Veteran Posted October 16, 2008 Veteran Share Posted October 16, 2008 If people clicked on the ads a little bit more, maybe they could use fewer ads :o Then get done for fraud mass clicking is not allowed as far as I know. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrewNinja Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Richard Hammond and Steve B hit the nail on the head. That mock up is perfect. Its too hard to read the news now...and isnt that what the site is intended for? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourjays Veteran Posted October 16, 2008 Veteran Share Posted October 16, 2008 Much better. (Y) Amazing what a difference such small changes can make to the readability. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mystic MVC Posted October 16, 2008 MVC Share Posted October 16, 2008 Looks even better to me. Great job! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdave Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 these improvements are great! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scirwode Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I've been really busy with work so the whole new "Finity" design flew past me. It took me a while to get myself up to date so I'll now voice my opinions. So far, I'm very much impressed with the design as I feel it does make Neowin look a little more cheery rather than the previous design, which was more professional but gave out a more cold vibe to those who visited it. As for the ads which everyone seem to be so vocal about, I don't see anything wrong with it. I am trying to see how it impedes or tarnishes the design but I just can't find it. My eyes are still attracted to the articles beside it. One thing I do miss is the ability to change the home page colour, as I really like the Graphite option, but I'm not really complaining :p . Good job to the coders and those involve in making the "Finity" design a reality (Y) . Scirwode Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleNeutrino Veteran Posted October 16, 2008 Veteran Share Posted October 16, 2008 i have a suggestion not really a complaint however is there a way to make the feed readers on the right auto update instead of having to refresh the page every minute or so. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spyder Veteran Posted October 16, 2008 Veteran Share Posted October 16, 2008 i gotta say, the extra space around news articles really REALLY improves the readability, at least on my part so big thanks for implementing that. i noticed it immediately when loading the page. I do wish there was just a slight bit more size difference between the news header text and the body text but as it stands its way better than it was before. love the new stretch button - it makes the square ad in the middle bearable. anyways..cheers on listening to feedback and making a few small changes - it makes a big difference. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted October 16, 2008 Author Administrators Share Posted October 16, 2008 We strive to serve :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vip Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I don't see why people are griping. The new design is rather nice. As you can see by how fast they've "fixed" or implemented a few new things since launch, they ARE listening. The whole thing about the ADs is annoying, the placement isn't that bad. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hammond Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 They are annoying to the point where i dont want to even look at the front page articles which kind of defeats the object of having ads, Neowin is one of the very few places that i whitelist and actually click on ads but the ad placement has put me right off. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannes Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 Thanks for the heads up guys! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brentaal Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 I'm liking the improvements. (Y) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourjays Veteran Posted October 16, 2008 Veteran Share Posted October 16, 2008 Adverts look fine to me. Seen much worse. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakey_snake Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 That ad in the middle brings in more revenue and allows Neobond to turn off intellitxt on the front page, thus speeding up it's load time.And this is GREATLY appreciated, by me at least. Do I need to post this 3 times to cancel out each of Richard Hammond's complaints? I coded it to work on a cookie basis. And you are awesome because of that. :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smigit Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 (Y)Its still in the middle of the page just set to the right. Here's my constructive criticism of it (unlike many posts I've seen bash this new design)The ad on the right pushes down ATW stories out of view, we've catered for low screen sizes too. Yeah I agree with NeoBond on that one and I've been fairly consistent with my "move the square ad" remarks. I had thought about the potential for the Ad to go there but as Neobond points out, the around the web content gets sacrificed then. I think for the ad to go in the right bar you'd have to move both the latest community activity and news filter & poll boxes over to the left as they were in shift. Then that Ad would be further up the page and around the web wouldn't be pushed right to the bottom. That may then cause congestion at the top of the left hand column but. Still, thats how I would move the content if I was to attempt to retain everything and I'm sure that would have issues of it's own. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calum Veteran Posted October 16, 2008 Veteran Share Posted October 16, 2008 i have a suggestion not really a complaint however is there a way to make the feed readers on the right auto update instead of having to refresh the page every minute or so. This has already been discussed & answered previously in this thread. The 'auto-refresh' option has been taken out for usability reasons, however, they have a 'refresh' button specifically for each little section. Therefore, you do not have to refresh the whole page - just click the little handy 'refresh' icon of the small section you wish to be updated. I too became annoyed with the 'auto-refresh' at times, when an article at the bottom would disappear & I could not find it. Thank you Neobond & staff for the new Finity update. It's actually made me change my bookmark URL from the forums to this & instead of keeping up-to-date with the news through the feed & Windows Live Alerts, I am actually visiting the frontpage more! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/683246-changes-due-to-feedback-on-neowin-5/page/3/#findComment-589978408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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