[Official] Left 4 Dead

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

That was awesome guys :laugh:

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Well I don't see them charging to unlock versus on all the campaigns. You've already paid for them and obviously it's on the disk it's just in a "locked" state that you can't choose it from the Versus menu.

Nah, they aren't included with the game.

Even then, it's MS that wants money, Valve would gladly give away the updates for free.

[gigapixels Veteran]

So I finally picked it up. I've only played single player and it's awesome. Anytime you guys see me on Live, feel free to send me an invite for this game.

[Massiveterra]

I wouldn't count on any major game updates being free (not including fixes, patches and updates to support for new features that you haven't purchased yourself). This is probably the biggest problem I have with the 360 since I got it earlier this year.

I don't know how much longer I'll have my copy of L4D. I mean, sure, killing zombies is fun, but it's only so much fun. TF2 on the other hand....

All of Battlefield Bad Company's DLC have been free on XBL. This includes 4 new maps, Conquest mode, and weapons. I know it wasn't developed by Valve but DICE made a good effort to make everything free. I know Valve runs on the same motto. And both games are published by EA, so I'm very optimistic that new DLC for Left 4 Dead will be free.

[Mathachew Veteran]

All of Battlefield Bad Company's DLC have been free on XBL. This includes 4 new maps, Conquest mode, and weapons. I know it wasn't developed by Valve but DICE made a good effort to make everything free. I know Valve runs on the same motto. And both games are published by EA, so I'm very optimistic that new DLC for Left 4 Dead will be free.

Well then there's hope, but I'm nearly as optimistic.

[PricklyPoo]

Heh, is it just me or does Left 4 Dead get boring...quick.

I got all my buddies to buy it on pc, and we mess around and play together but all of them stopped playing after a few weeks, and even I have to say I'm bored.

There are only 4 missions and once you've played each one 5 times you pretty much know whats going to happen and where...The only uncertain thing is where the witches, tanks will appear.

I just hope valve hurries up and releases an official dev kit so we can get some quality maps. And a server browser would be nice too. I just don't want them to finally come out with a dev kit, game fixes, etc. And everyone already put the game down. :/

[evo0o]

I concur. After the 4 missions are done and over, it's pretty much replaying a "new game" in and old scene. :\

[Minifig]

Heh, is it just me or does Left 4 Dead get boring...quick.

I got all my buddies to buy it on pc, and we mess around and play together but all of them stopped playing after a few weeks, and even I have to say I'm bored.

There are only 4 missions and once you've played each one 5 times you pretty much know whats going to happen and where...The only uncertain thing is where the witches, tanks will appear.

I just hope valve hurries up and releases an official dev kit so we can get some quality maps. And a server browser would be nice too. I just don't want them to finally come out with a dev kit, game fixes, etc. And everyone already put the game down. :/

New DLC is coming soon.

I wanna see a new Special Infected.

I want to see a kid zombie who runs insanely fast and can do really quick swipes.

[Massiveterra]

I don't know how anyone can get bored of Versus mode.

Also, if you're getting bored of the campaign, just up the difficulty. Or maybe the people you're playing with just aren't fun.

[DDStriker]

I don't know how anyone can get bored of Versus mode.

Also, if you're getting bored of the campaign, just up the difficulty. Or maybe the people you're playing with just aren't fun.

game was kind of ruined at christmas time lots of people got the game as a gift but have no idea how to play the game and just jumped into versus mode

so i pretty much get stuck with 7 completely new players who don't get the concept of a co-op game and just do stupid **** to ruin it for everyone else i'm sorta glad my internet is capped so i don't have to deal with l4d players and slow servers

hopefully by the time my internet recovers all the christmas players have learnt how to play or gone to another game so i can play with decent people again :)

[Pc_Madness]

All of Battlefield Bad Company's DLC have been free on XBL. This includes 4 new maps, Conquest mode, and weapons. I know it wasn't developed by Valve but DICE made a good effort to make everything free. I know Valve runs on the same motto. And both games are published by EA, so I'm very optimistic that new DLC for Left 4 Dead will be free.

Could be that EA or Dice is covering the cost of the update instead of MS letting it be free... and as cool as free updates are I don't want Valve going bankrupt cos of MS being gay. :\

Has anyone seen how many of the 'crescendo' (sp?) events you can skip now? Its insane. :p

[xcross]

My older brother has this game and he seems to play it a lot also my uncle has became obsessed with Zombies and is now some kind of Zombie fanatic.

As for me I will most likely barrow it from my brother ween I get some free time but to tell the truth the only other Zombie Game that I have played is Resident Evil 4 and those were not technically Zombies more so parasites that take over human bodies.

[DDStriker]

go play resident evil 2 and 3 they were the best ones on Playstation 1 ahh memories :p

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Heh, is it just me or does Left 4 Dead get boring...quick.

I got all my buddies to buy it on pc, and we mess around and play together but all of them stopped playing after a few weeks, and even I have to say I'm bored.

There are only 4 missions and once you've played each one 5 times you pretty much know whats going to happen and where...The only uncertain thing is where the witches, tanks will appear.

I just hope valve hurries up and releases an official dev kit so we can get some quality maps. And a server browser would be nice too. I just don't want them to finally come out with a dev kit, game fixes, etc. And everyone already put the game down. :/

There is already a server browser in L4D, the problem is that it doesn't work well (technically it does, but the "experience" isn't good).

And the director controls how often zombies spawn, where, etc., not just tanks and witches (if you're replaying the map and everything is in the exact same location, something's wrong)

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

Nah, they aren't included with the game.

You misunderstood my post. I'm talking about the original campaigns on the disk already, not the new ones coming in DLC. We shouldn't have to pay to unlock the originals.

The game does get boring after a bit, I mean its good fun when you haven't played for a while, but I couldn't play it day in and out. Like I said, especially with only 2 campaigns unlocked in Versus, you're only limiting the game even more than it already is. Its awesome fun when you get a good match going though.

[DDStriker]

There is already a server browser in L4D, the problem is that it doesn't work well (technically it does, but the "experience" isn't good).

And the director controls how often zombies spawn, where, etc., not just tanks and witches (if you're replaying the map and everything is in the exact same location, something's wrong)

director zombie spawns are just kinda predictable at the moment its not a very smart ai it spawned a witch on top of me....

it spawns tanks in poor locations aswell i was given a tank at the start of the game...near the end of the map by the time i got anywhere near the survivors i'd lost my turn should of punched a zombie ><

[Berserk87]

it spawns tanks in poor locations aswell i was given a tank at the start of the game...near the end of the map by the time i got anywhere near the survivors i'd lost my turn should of punched a zombie ><

same thing just happened to me.

spawned as a tank at the very end of the leevel in a dead end, some guy yelling at me on the mic while im trying to find my way there. then lost my turn :(

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

You misunderstood my post. I'm talking about the original campaigns on the disk already, not the new ones coming in DLC. We shouldn't have to pay to unlock the originals.

The game does get boring after a bit, I mean its good fun when you haven't played for a while, but I couldn't play it day in and out. Like I said, especially with only 2 campaigns unlocked in Versus, you're only limiting the game even more than it already is. Its awesome fun when you get a good match going though.

Again, they aren't on the disk.

The original release only contains 2 campaigns in the versus format (the maps are different*), they aren't on the disk in any way, shape or form.

* e.g. on one campaign map, there's an area that allows you to bypass a section of the map with zombies in it, that's not there in the versus version, it's to force players to encounter human controlled zombies.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

From what I've played the Versus maps are exactly the same as the Campaign ones :s

Can you give me an example of this? I'm interested to see for myself. My mistake though if thats indeed the case.

[DDStriker]

same thing just happened to me.

spawned as a tank at the very end of the leevel in a dead end, some guy yelling at me on the mic while im trying to find my way there. then lost my turn :(

hehe yeah i've played the game alot but running from the end of the map to the start is kind of a challenge can easily get lost i found it funny i was playing a game and for every game (all 5 stages x 2 (for each team))

we had an early spawn tank that spawned close...really close

we would star teh game run outside safe room (or if we hanged around for a few seconds) and a tank would be on its way totally screwed us every time lol narrow alleyways are no place to fight a tank i think the director is just bugged :p

From what I've played the Versus maps are exactly the same as the Campaign ones :s

Can you give me an example of this? I'm interested to see for myself. My mistake though if thats indeed the case.

the versus maps have been tweaked and are different to the co-op

an example would be the first stage of mercy hospital if you have a look you'll notice the air conditioner units are missing (a shortcut in co-op mode) also more buildings have roofs in versus mode compared to co-op because special infected have free roaming abilities (hunter can go virtually anywhere)

also theres usually less doors in versus mode where survivors can spawn (there is a command that you can revive survivors even in versus mode which is kinda fun for mucking around)

but yeah the changes are subtle main thing is more medkits

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

Ok I haven't noticed those differences, but even still, it's not a completely different versions of the maps. Both versions of the maps are using largely the same resources with minor differences. We'll be able to tell when we see the download size of the DLC. If its some substantial then you know you've had to download the entire maps. If its small you're basically just unlocking it with tweaks to the original code.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

The smallest map in Left 4 Dead (l4d_airport05_runway) is 8MB, the largest (l4d_smalltown04_mainstreet) is 38MB

The maps only contains the level geometry, collision data for static props, light maps, and some small texture data (cube maps and such). The difference between l4d_hospital05_rooftop and l4d_vs_hospital05_rooftop is 0.1MB.

Edit: The maps are going to be around the same size, give or take a small amount, so you're going to download a whole new campaign's worth of maps for the vs. update.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

The difference between l4d_hospital05_rooftop and l4d_vs_hospital05_rooftop is 0.1MB.

Ok there goes my idea out the window lol, but there is a difference in size :p

Like I've said though, its mainly using the same resources regardless of the mode, so its not really fair to charge for them either way.

[Sethos]

You can't just patch current maps, specially not on a console - Plenty of games have shown that.

So if they really do release a tiny patch that unlocks versus on the other maps, we know it was on the disc.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

You can't just patch current maps, specially not on a console - Plenty of games have shown that.

What do you mean by that :huh: There is plenty of games that have patched maps in the past, it even happened last generation with Halo 2 etc.