Fourjays Veteran Posted November 5, 2008 Veteran Share Posted November 5, 2008 If that's what we're talking about... Ross Brawn said that Honda are developing a light system for 2009 and is confident it won't have the same issues as Ferrari's. I think Ferrari also said they plan to use it in 2009 again, once they have solved the issues. It's no substitute for good pit training though. McLaren are one of the best at pit stops, IMO. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590079466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourjays Veteran Posted November 5, 2008 Veteran Share Posted November 5, 2008 Three bits of news for 2009: Chinese GP moves to April date Renault retain Alonso and Piquet for '09 FIA to explain stewards' decisions The last one is particularly good news. Nice to see that the FIA are taking actions to ensure rulings are more timely, transparent and therefore consistent. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590080950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 might not make them consistent & fair, if anything it'll give people the actual reason to argue against rather than guessing what they thought Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590085036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaris Veteran Posted November 6, 2008 Author Veteran Share Posted November 6, 2008 Well, this past season that stewards decisions have been met with soooo much confusion, not just by the public, but by the drivers too. Btw, updated the first post, cheers Fourjays Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590085652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibby Posted November 6, 2008 Share Posted November 6, 2008 I've got no idea why Ferrari even put the manual button/pit stop system in place. Surely they knew from the start, some sort of small switch with interacted with the car system would have been fine! Requires no mods on the fuel rigs, just the fueling area of the car. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590087344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas-c Veteran Posted November 7, 2008 Veteran Share Posted November 7, 2008 tbh i dont like the fact that they are changing aerodynamics rules, cars looked coolest this year :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590088182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 7, 2008 Share Posted November 7, 2008 If that's what we're talking about...Ross Brawn said that Honda are developing a light system for 2009 and is confident it won't have the same issues as Ferrari's. I think Ferrari also said they plan to use it in 2009 again, once they have solved the issues. It's no substitute for good pit training though. McLaren are one of the best at pit stops, IMO. With the Ferrari system there is a button that overrides the lights. So if the refueler finishes, the button can stop it going green. Why? To stop unsafe pit releases. What happened in Singapore was that the override button was being used to set red/green due to the busy pit lane and the auto-button on the refueler not being used. The person on the override button saw someone coming so pressed his button thinking it'll stop the lights going green, but instead it set them to green. He noticed half a second later and let go of the button. That changed the lights but Massa was gone. Honda, i think, will use a similar system but won't change the roles people have so no mistakes happen. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590090112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted November 10, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted November 10, 2008 tbh i dont like the fact that they are changing aerodynamics rules, cars looked coolest this year :p Blasphemy. The 2008 cars with all the winglets and odd horns on the nose and whatnot look a lot worse than the cars from the early 90s. Example: The Ferrari F1 641 from 1990: Looks much cleaner and sleeker than the 2008 generation, doesn't it? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590103600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaris Veteran Posted November 10, 2008 Author Veteran Share Posted November 10, 2008 More news: Di Resta: I'm ready for an F1 seat Sato to have second chance with Toro Rosso Mallya takes the helm at Force India Force India link up with McLaren and Mercedes Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590103976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted November 10, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted November 10, 2008 Also in the news: Di Montezemolo smashed TV after finale Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590104000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Blasphemy. The 2008 cars with all the winglets and odd horns on the nose and whatnot look a lot worse than the cars from the early 90s.Example: The Ferrari F1 641 from 1990: Looks much cleaner and sleeker than the 2008 generation, doesn't it? looks too plane to me :p as i said, i prefer the 2008 cars but not with the horns on the nose and shark fin/anvil engine cover :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590104500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted November 13, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted November 13, 2008 Williams revealed the 2009 wing package today. Picture: Looks... odd. I can live with the wider front wing, but the rear wing? That's going to take a while to get used to. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590117388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas-c Veteran Posted November 13, 2008 Veteran Share Posted November 13, 2008 Does the rear wing have to be that size/shape ? If so, why ? i understand chopping all the bits off but that just looks fail. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590118266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted November 13, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted November 13, 2008 Does the rear wing have to be that size/shape ? If so, why ? i understand chopping all the bits off but that just looks fail. Yes, it does have to be that size/shape. The goal of the aerodynamic changes for 2009 is to make overtaking on track easier. We'll see how it works out. Btw, any bets how many drivers will have to come in for a new front wing after the first lap of the Australian GP? :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590118914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonlang Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 Blasphemy. The 2008 cars with all the winglets and odd horns on the nose and whatnot look a lot worse than the cars from the early 90s.Example: The Ferrari F1 641 from 1990: Looks much cleaner and sleeker than the 2008 generation, doesn't it? i think this is one of the most beautiful cars ever built. :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590119904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted November 13, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted November 13, 2008 i think this is one of the most beautiful cars ever built. :D In my opinion this is the most beautiful F1 car ever: Ferrari 412 T1, 1994 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590120426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonlang Posted November 13, 2008 Share Posted November 13, 2008 In my opinion this is the most beautiful F1 car ever: Ferrari 412 T1, 1994 yay, sexy looking car as well. do you know this was build completely without any wind-tunnel at all? :o Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590121016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted November 13, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted November 13, 2008 yay, sexy looking car as well. do you know this was build completely without any wind-tunnel at all? :o The 412T1? Doubtful. Designing a car without using a wind-tunnel in the 90s was a recipe for disaster - read the story of MasterCard Lola as an example. No, the Ferrari 412T was a relatively successful design by John Barnard. Its successor on the other hand, the F310 for the 1996 season - Michael Schumacher's first Ferrari - was simply awful. Ugly, clunky (especially the 'shark nose' version used from the Canadian GP onwards), unreliable. </end of F1 history lesson> Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590122208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuckeratlarge Posted November 14, 2008 Share Posted November 14, 2008 i think this is one of the most beautiful cars ever built. :D I'm with you on that one. No car since has been as beautiful as the 641. They sometimes say that the most beautiful car is the one that wins, maybe so, but the 641 dispels that assumption. Yes, I admit a huge amount of bias - being tifosi - but look at the thing. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590125434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewism Posted November 16, 2008 Share Posted November 16, 2008 It's official now. Formula 1 will not come back in Canada next year. Ecclestone wants $173 576 802 for the next five years and the governments only want to give him $143 270 292. This sport is only about money these days. It's not about racing. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590135382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourjays Veteran Posted November 16, 2008 Veteran Share Posted November 16, 2008 Even China is complaining about the cost now (http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=44612). Over-charging will be his downfall. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590135634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted November 16, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted November 16, 2008 Even China is complaining about the cost now (http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=44612). Over-charging will be his downfall. Cut Bernie some slack. He has to pay for his divorce somehow? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590135700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted November 17, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted November 17, 2008 I know it's only testing, but look at this photo of a BMW Sauber from today: What's up with this monstrosity of a nose? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590137444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourjays Veteran Posted November 17, 2008 Veteran Share Posted November 17, 2008 Reminds me of this... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590137476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted November 17, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted November 17, 2008 Shot from a different angle: Looks like a bloody snow plough rather than a F1 car if you ask me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/691544-looking-ahead-formula-1-world-championship-2009/page/2/#findComment-590137582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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