Windows 7 build 7000 (Beta 1) QnA!

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The applications that is running will be highlighted with a color when you drag your mouse pointer over it. And the ones not running will have a faded arrow at the bottom to tell you that the application will be launched when you click.

That sounds good, not that I had a problem telling what's running without text etc. Maybe MS can take that a step further and add the option to always have a highlighted color running for open apps then? I guess in this case without text but with color it helps just that extra bit more?

I'm sure no one is against having more options at this point.

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I had all the applications launched so I couldn't compare it. And I didn't notice it until after I closed a couple :)

I really like Windows 7 so far. Have tested it for a few hours now. Don't really have any complains yet. It not just the big differences that makes Windows 7 so good, it have all those little extra details and touches that you didn't know you'd love. Like a close button on fullscreen video in WMP12, expanding application options on the start menu ( I really hope developers jump on this), collection of the systray icons and all the now integrated display options etc. Also you can have different settings for the firewall for public and private networks (and even settings for network sharing for them). Very nice!

And libraries is even greater.

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I had all the applications launched so I couldn't compare it. And I didn't notice it until after I closed a couple :)

I really like Windows 7 so far. Have tested it for a few hours now. Don't really have any complains yet. It not just the big differences that makes Windows 7 so good, it have all those little extra details and touches that you didn't know you'd love. Like a close button on fullscreen video in WMP12, expanding application options on the start menu ( I really hope developers jump on this), collection of the systray icons and all the now integrated display options etc. Also you can have different settings for the firewall for public and private networks (and even settings for network sharing for them). Very nice!

And libraries is even greater.

Wow, I didn't even notice WMP was a completely new version until you pointed it out. I thought it was just a refresh of v11, rather than a full upgrade to v12.

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In Vista and Windows 7 6956, you can search for "index options" and change which folders are being indexed. I cannot search for the same option in 7000. Anybody figured out how to control folders that are being indexed?

If you add folders to your libraries, they will automatically be indexed.

Searching for the word "index" should find the control panel, it hasn't moved or changed. The exact title is "indexing options" so if you searched for "index options" with quotes around it, you won't find it (without quotes it should, though).

If you haven't launched the control panel at all yet, you need to launch it at least once for the start menu search results to be populated with control panel tasks. Though, the actual control panels themselves (like "indexing options") should show up even before that I think.

I didn't notice this earlier, strangely.. the buttons on the taskbar is a bit elevated on the applications running. It little discrete though, but you'll learn to notice them.

Seriously? I don't see how anyone could possibly miss the difference. Running apps have a raised border and a glow/shine from the upper left.

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Oh, my - I always liked what Paul Thurrot writes, but I disagree with him for the very first time. He doesn't understand the superbar http://www.winsupersite.com/win7/win7_beta_notes.asp :p

Who made him the f'ing usability expert? Just as he was going on how bad Vista's Media Center design was, then suddenly at build 6000 - POOF - never mind, it's the best Media Center to date. :rolleyes:

With that said, the old superbar behaviour doesn't really look that elegant with a mess of launched applications and shortcut icons side by side. Looks just fine if you turn off labels, but with labels on... ugh.

edit: About the other points he made, apart from the superbar.

Didn't know double clicking gadgets will align them to the right.

The border around jumplists: I fail to see how having a thin glassy border around a jumplist, and having the same style of border around the power, network, volume, and clock/calendar popups can be considered inconsistent. And how is this 'new, and how do those other applets look like the jumplists'? Vista had the same border style for the applets. What does he propose, the applets should have giant tooltip backgrounds or something? (BTW, Firefox uses that for the favicon popup... can't say it looks elegant in the least.) As for "you have to right click," sorry but I'd rather right click then waste at least 100 pixels to redundant up-facing chevrons beside each taskbar button.

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Brandon Live Veteran

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I still have a problem in the 7000 build that I also had in the 6956 build. After a restart Explorer is working great. But after some time when I click on "computer" and open a drive, the bar at the top is changing but nothing happend.

When I close explorer and reopen it I only see this:

explorer.jpg

Also opening Control Panel is sowing the same thing or other sreens like Personalize desktop or Screen Resolution...

Inside a program I can save documents and browse folders...

I already installed new nForce drivers (SATA drivers) but that didn't solve the problem.

When the window gets into that state, please click the Send Feedback link if you can. That will be a huge help toward tracking down the problem. If the link doesn't work, an alternative is to click a few times in the window to get the "app not responding" dialog, and tell it to close Explorer and send the error report.

What's obvious to you is not obvious to me. :$

I need clear visible differentiation between what is essentially a shortcut and a running app. With 'text' turned 'on' I can see what is what - otherwise it's a confused mess.

There's also something unclear for me with a pinned app running in it's 'pinned place' and other apps running on the right of the currently pinned shortcuts and pinned running apps. So to me the 'superbar' is as clear as a muddy puddle.

1) How can you not see the difference between running and non-running apps in the default configuration? It should be plain as day, maybe something is off with your monitor?

2) Why do you care whether and icon represents a running application or not? If you want to get to it, you click the icon.

3) What is unclear about applications always being in the exact same place?

Linky

Simply download the driver and modified .ini, run the .exe and put the new .ini into the folder which was created by the self extracting .exe. These are far better drivers even if you're using Vista.

Do those include a WDDM 1.1 Win7 driver? I doubt it...

Using a Vista driver will get you lesser performance (more memory usage, no GDI acceleration, etc).

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When the window gets into that state, please click the Send Feedback link if you can. That will be a huge help toward tracking down the problem. If the link doesn't work, an alternative is to click a few times in the window to get the "app not responding" dialog, and tell it to close Explorer and send the error report.

1) How can you not see the difference between running and non-running apps in the default configuration? It should be plain as day, maybe something is off with your monitor?

2) Why do you care whether and icon represents a running application or not? If you want to get to it, you click the icon.

3) What is unclear about applications always being in the exact same place?

Do those include a WDDM 1.1 Win7 driver? I doubt it...

Using a Vista driver will get you lesser performance (more memory usage, no GDI acceleration, etc).

For the explorer problem, I had the same issues. I submitted some feedback and then "upgraded" my install. This seems to have fixed the issue after playing with the computer for a couple hours.

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Do those include a WDDM 1.1 Win7 driver? I doubt it...

Using a Vista driver will get you lesser performance (more memory usage, no GDI acceleration, etc).

GDI hardware acceleration has been reintroduced?

Also today after installing 7000 the Forceware Win7 preview package off Windows Update installed a WDDM 1.0 driver, strange.

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I tried installing it on my iMac using Boot Camp last night. Windows installed perfectly fine, the problem was the Boot Camp installation under Windows: The setup quit with error code 2229. Does anybody have an idea what's going wrong here? Google wasn't too helpful.

I've since removed the Boot Camp partition in a fit of frustration.

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1) How can you not see the difference between running and non-running apps in the default configuration? It should be plain as day, maybe something is off with your monitor?

2) Why do you care whether and icon represents a running application or not? If you want to get to it, you click the icon.

3) What is unclear about applications always being in the exact same place?

I appreciate your reply Brandon.

Truth is, that for some people, what seems 'common sense' or logical - is not. Some people, like myself - just use a computer as a tool and don't spend hours geeking out over UI tweaks. So my perspective is this - I don't find the new taskbar as logical and as clear as it could be. But I do appreciate the customizations and power it delivers.

I think a running app could be represented differently to how it is now. But that's just my view.

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For the explorer problem, I had the same issues. I submitted some feedback and then "upgraded" my install. This seems to have fixed the issue after playing with the computer for a couple hours.

What do you mean by "upgraded" I also send feedback, hoping they can solve the problem.

Sys specs:

ASUS M2N-E (nForce 570 MCP Chipset)

AMD X2 4200+

2 GB Dual Channel DDR2

Maxtor 120 GB SATA

Maxtor 200 GB SATA II

ATI 4850 (Windows 7 Preview drivers)

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My installation only got a WDDM 1 driver off of Windows Update .. not a WDDM 1.1 .. I assume this is because my card is limited in some way .. a Point of View 7600GT.

Should I be concerned about this? ..

Another question I have .. As with Vista, one of the first things I do is enable the real 'Administrator' account, then re-boot and log in with it and delete the normal account generated at install (there's only me using the PC so I don't have any security issues).

Is this considered good practice, or should a normal user stick with the install account?

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