Calum Veteran Posted December 30, 2008 Veteran Share Posted December 30, 2008 I appreciate your reply Brandon. Truth is, that for some people, what seems 'common sense' or logical - is not. Some people, like myself - just use a computer as a tool and don't spend hours geeking out over UI tweaks. So my perspective is this - I don't find the new taskbar as logical and as clear as it could be. But I do appreciate the customizations and power it delivers. I think a running app could be represented differently to how it is now. But that's just my view. Anything you suggest about the new taskbar should at least be an option as many of us much prefer the default way and can easily tell when there is a running instance. Many of us also agree that the taskbar looks ugly with labels and labels are redundant - you can tell what an application is by its icon, you don't need a text label telling you, cluttering up the taskbar and making it look ugly. I hope you can recognise many of us don't want the current state of the Windows 7 taskbar to be ruined and I ask in all your feedback you please ask for your suggestions to be options, rather than changes with no way to go back. Please? :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590336958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Good question! .. basically I've been following the instructions in this post in the essential guides section .. .. https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=537806 .. I don't mind going backwards if more knowledgable folk around here think it's dodgy to do this in 7 though .. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590336966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danisflying527 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Whoah 7000 is faster than 6956? Feels like it to me =) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590336968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_onion Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Good question! .. basically I've been following the instructions in this post in the essential guides section .. .. https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=537806 .. I don't mind going backwards if more knowledgable folk around here think it's dodgy to do this in 7 though .. the reason i ask is that I don't think there is any difference. you should use the standard account just because it's less work to do so. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590336974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xiphi Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 My installation only got a WDDM 1 driver off of Windows Update .. not a WDDM 1.1 .. I assume this is because my card is limited in some way .. a Point of View 7600GT.Should I be concerned about this? .. Another question I have .. As with Vista, one of the first things I do is enable the real 'Administrator' account, then re-boot and log in with it and delete the normal account generated at install (there's only me using the PC so I don't have any security issues). Is this considered good practice, or should a normal user stick with the install account? No! Just by enabling the real administrator account, and using that instead, creates security issues that UAC helps to avoid! Even though you're the only one using that computer, the fact it's online should be enough to keep using the default account Vista creates and keep UAC on. Using the real Admin account on a day to day basis is just a bad idea. It's basically like going to a gunfight without a gun and no bullet proof vest. Might as well stick to XP if you're that careless about security. ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590336976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calum Veteran Posted December 30, 2008 Veteran Share Posted December 30, 2008 Brandon, please tell me Microsoft does not listen to Paul Thurrott? He doesn't know what he's talking about and his views on the new taskbar are ridiculous! He's going to ruin Windows 7 for us :blink: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590337018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xiphi Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Brandon, please tell me Microsoft does not listen to Paul Thurrott?He doesn't know what he's talking about and his views on the new taskbar are ridiculous! He's going to ruin Windows 7 for us :blink: I certainly hope they don't. I think the man's gone Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590337038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danisflying527 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 We must stalk this Paul guy down..... I will get the guns Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590337040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
notuptome2004 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 We must stalk this Paul guy down.....I will get the guns well we could do that but i am sure brandon has a better idea. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590337074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thealexweb Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I tried build 7000 on 512mb of ram and it was so fast, fast enough to use for every day things, Vista under the same circumstances would be a disaster. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590337086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazlunatic Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I had my doubts about the taskbar but Brandon is right, who cares if the app is running or not, if you're looking for it, you need it anyway. My only grudge now is the slow response to mouse hover, and possibly to show each tab as a separate window for other browsers like firefox. Would be nice to place an X beside each window when you right click so you can close them like that too I guess, since the only option is close all windows. I know a few of you would still prefer the default taskbar but I think Microsoft wants to change the way Windows users work with windows so they can be more productive. It's always hard going from what we've been used to for 10 years (or maybe more) to something new. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590337684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted December 30, 2008 Global Moderator Share Posted December 30, 2008 While I sorta get why Paul doesn't like the default superbar setup, he does finally understand that you can change it in different ways to match whatever you like. The thing I don't get is why he doesn't like jump lists? He says they're inconsistant between each other and app to app. But isn't the point of jump lists to give you app specific options/functionality? In which case they can't be consistant between every app anyways. a media player jump list will give me different options than a browser jump list or a explorer jump list etc, because the apps ARE different. That's how I see it anyways. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590337688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 one nice touch (finally) is now when we copy files and click on More Information it tell us also the File that is copying at least in 6801 it weren't there, don't know in 6956 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590338080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inctye Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 what's the difference between a normal account and an admin account? Just like it sounds, an admin account has full control over all user accounts, what can be installed/uninstalled, what files/folders can be accessed, etc. A normal account basically follows all the rules set by the admin account. I had my doubts about the taskbar but Brandon is right, who cares if the app is running or not, if you're looking for it, you need it anyway.My only grudge now is the slow response to mouse hover, and possibly to show each tab as a separate window for other browsers like firefox. Would be nice to place an X beside each window when you right click so you can close them like that too I guess, since the only option is close all windows. I know a few of you would still prefer the default taskbar but I think Microsoft wants to change the way Windows users work with windows so they can be more productive. It's always hard going from what we've been used to for 10 years (or maybe more) to something new. Yes, this is a pain. I can see why they have a one second response time to prevent it from opening accidentally, but the delay tests my patience far too much. If this delay reduced, then it can be argued that its faster and better. But with this delay, many people will say it might be better to have the old taskbar layout for switching windows. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590338842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Yes, this is a pain. I can see why they have a one second response time to prevent it from opening accidentally, but the delay tests my patience far too much. If this delay reduced, then it can be argued that its faster and better. But with this delay, many people will say it might be better to have the old taskbar layout for switching windows. Brandon said he's talking to the UI guys about it... Hope he has good news :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inctye Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Just a quick question about x64...Do you need to have 4gb of memory to use it, or will 2GB be sufficient? It should work right? From what I have heard, 4GB is minimum needed to take full advantage of it. But if that is the case, 2GB should should at least take partial advantage of those extra bits. Am thinking about trying build 7000 in x64 to see if there might be any performance benefit. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToneKnee Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Just a quick question about x64...Do you need to have 4gb of memory to use it, or will 2GB be sufficient? It should work right? From what I have heard, 4GB is minimum needed to take full advantage of it. But if that is the case, 2GB should should at least take partial advantage of those extra bits. What you heard was wrong. You don't need "4GB " to "take full advantage" of it. Taking advantage of 64Bit actually comes down to applications that uses 64Bit code. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee99 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 My only grudge now is the slow response to mouse hover Completely agree. I haven't used 7000 yet, but I really hope they remove that, or provide an option to remove it, in the final build. You can make it instant with a click, but adding an extra click to the mix makes the process of switching apps require more work than with the old taskbar IMO. P L E A S E remove that delay! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wessleym Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Does anyone know the version of Internet Explorer 8 in the Windows 7 Beta 1 build? For example, is it newer or older than the Partner Build? I can't figure it out except that the Windows 7 Beta 1 build version has bugs that have been worked out of the Partner Build. I would guess the Partner Build is newer, but does anyone have concrete evidence? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inctye Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) Does anyone know the version of Internet Explorer 8 in the Windows 7 Beta 1 build? For example, is it newer or older than the Partner Build? I can't figure it out except that the Windows 7 Beta 1 build version has bugs that have been worked out of the Partner Build. I would guess the Partner Build is newer, but does anyone have concrete evidence? EDIT: What is included in Win7 is probably beta 2. The latest partner build is 8.0.6001.18344, which is a pre-RC1. Edited December 30, 2008 by revreddy Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Just a quick question about x64...Do you need to have 4gb of memory to use it, or will 2GB be sufficient? It should work right? From what I have heard, 4GB is minimum needed to take full advantage of it. But if that is the case, 2GB should should at least take partial advantage of those extra bits. Am thinking about trying build 7000 in x64 to see if there might be any performance benefit. Actually you need 64bit Windows to fully utilize RAM larger than 3GB. You are fine with 2GB RAM and 64bit Windows. There won't be any performance benefit unless you have Apps designed for 64bit and using boatload of RAM. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad_onion Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 ok so I just tried to add a new folder to the pictures library. the folder is on the network but when I try and add it I get the error "This folder cannot be included because it is on a share that is not indexed". but when I click "How can this folder be indexed?" it takes me to the libraries help and the only relevant thing I can find is " Can I include a folder that isn't always available on my computer? You can include folders from locations that aren't always accessible by your computer (such as removable drives or networks), but you won't be able to access the contents of those folders unless the drive or network is connected. Although network folders can be included in libraries, searches will likely be slow because the contents of those folders can't be indexed." so the help entry specifically states that network folders won't be indexed but then it tells me I can't add it because it's not indexed bah!!! it doesn't make any sense. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inctye Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Actually you need 64bit Windows to fully utilize RAM larger than 3GB. You are fine with 2GB RAM and 64bit Windows. There won't be any performance benefit unless you have Apps designed for 64bit and using boatload of RAM. I see. :o Well, guess it might be worth another reinstall of build 7000. I may not get any benefit in terms of RAM, but popular programs like Adobe CS4 now have 64bit support and should get a little boost there. I will wait until the official beta release next week before getting my hands on the x64 version. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzz99 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 (edited) Just a quick question about x64...Do you need to have 4gb of memory to use it, or will 2GB be sufficient? It should work right? From what I have heard, 4GB is minimum needed to take full advantage of it. But if that is the case, 2GB should should at least take partial advantage of those extra bits. Am thinking about trying build 7000 in x64 to see if there might be any performance benefit. You will need (indeed) a 64bit processor. Amount of RAM is not related to 64bit OS BTW: To dhan My installation of windows seven x86 is seeing my 4Gb of RAM. Edited December 30, 2008 by buzz99 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PricklyPoo Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I like it so far, but the window manager bugs me. Instead of the task bar, this thing... It might not seem like that big of a deal, but when switching in between windows, etc, it's pretty annoying. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/714032-windows-7-build-7000-beta-1-qna/page/22/#findComment-590339242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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