Unimatrix Xero Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 forgive me for being n00bish now but with different posts saying different dats ive got mixed up, the keynote is today right? so does this mean that Beta 1 is due today (the 7th) or are we having to wait? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowl Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 If its going to be delivered at the keynote today, then yes, yes it is due today. Nah !proof ? Driver incompatibility? Whats your proof that hes wrong ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danisflying527 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 It will probably release just after the keynote some time, Hooray I think the keynote is about 6:30 right Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denholm Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 What time is the keynote meant to start? 6:30 PM - Jan 7th PST - I'm pretty sure. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted January 7, 2009 Global Moderator Share Posted January 7, 2009 Lots of reviews have been using Vista x64 when benchmarking newer gfx cards with different games. And really, I could be wrong, but even with x64 the CPU is still x86, I don't think Windows is actually emulating everything like some might think it is. Since the hardware can do 32bit or 64bit, it's a simple switch that needs to be done I believe. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atleeit Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 People can have both systems, choice is a good thing. However, the transition will happen some time and x86 cleary isn't the future, unless you want to carry on using 3 GB RAM forever ;) You OC your Q6600 to 3.6Ghz? And you get 5.8 Rating? My specs: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atleeit Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 What if some smart individual designs a 32bit structure that can use more then 4GB, would 64bit disappear? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamwhoiam Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Sorry to break it to you but unless manufacturers make x64 drivers 100% compatible with x64 and most programs avalible on the market compatible x64 only wont be an option, and there are still x86 processors out there and you still need x86 to create binarys for x64 so x64 would be a disaster, so umm dont compare x86 with x64 Every single piece of software that I use on x64 works perfectly. That little part in bold up there...a bit uhm, well, yeah. :rolleyes: :blink: I hope you meant to say "you still need x64 to create binaries for x64" Either way, both statements are false. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 What if some smart individual designs a 32bit structure that can use more then 4GB, would 64bit disappear? impossible it is by design , unless using P.A.E. which has special requirement 32bit = 2^32 = 4,294,967,296 bit Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrack Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 What if some smart individual designs a 32bit structure that can use more then 4GB, would 64bit disappear? Unless BIT can store more than 1 and 0 like QBIT with Quantum computing, 32bit is going down pal :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesclarke555 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 You OC your Q6600 to 3.6Ghz? And you get 5.8 Rating? I wish :) It's only an E6600 (Dual Core) running at 3.20 GHz (it thinks I'm running a 9 multiplier). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowl Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Sorry, my bad. I mean, for x86 programs to work on x64 : http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/...22/9244582.aspx This also means that it is slower, as it is emulation. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted January 7, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 7, 2009 (edited) Connect works, i'm logged in :) no Windows 7 :pAlso 7015.0.081218-1724 does not seem right. 6.1.7013.0 was built 081220-1600 - So how can Build 7015 be built before 7013 am i making sense? So Build 7015 is 18th Dec 08 And Build 7013 is 20th Dec 08 See where i'm coming from? v6.1.7003 was 01/12/08 v6.1.7004 was 03/12/08 v6.1.7012 was 15/12/08 7003 was not the 1st, 7004 was not the 3rd. Unless you're talking about some sub labs. I am talking about WinMain builds. And I never post information that's wrong. Edited January 7, 2009 by creamhackered Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atleeit Posted January 7, 2009 Author Share Posted January 7, 2009 7003 was not the 1st, 7004 was not the 3rd. Unless you're talking about some sub labs. I am talking about WinMain builds. And I never post information that's wrong. 3 and 12 was a WinMain :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted January 7, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 7, 2009 3 and 12 was a WinMain :D Yeah and as I stated, 3 was not compiled on 1st December. Do you really think 12 was compiled on Saturday 20th December? That's wrong as well. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590376994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Lots of reviews have been using Vista x64 when benchmarking newer gfx cards with different games. And really, I could be wrong, but even with x64 the CPU is still x86, I don't think Windows is actually emulating everything like some might think it is. Since the hardware can do 32bit or 64bit, it's a simple switch that needs to be done I believe. the only case that there are emulation for 32bit softwares is using the windows IA64(intel itanium 64) edition it is not combitable with x86 ,32bit software run with performance plenty(slowdown) by doing so . Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590377052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greasy Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 You guys arguing about build numbers kill me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590377064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted January 7, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 7, 2009 You guys arguing about build numbers kill me. haha sorry :blush: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590377068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Veteran Posted January 7, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 7, 2009 Sorry, my bad. I mean, for x86 programs to work on x64 :http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/...22/9244582.aspx This also means that it is slower, as it is emulation. If I remember rightly (it's been a while since I read up on this), the 'emulation' that we are talking about here is not the same kind of emulation that you will find in the Itanium (i64) builds of Windows. On Itanium, the processor is physically unable to run x86 code, so the WOW64 emulator completely translates the code to Itanium compatible instructions and passes these to the CPU. This is like running the PowerPC versions of Linux inside PearPC on an x86 machine (or in fact games console emulators like SNES). Complete emulation like this will obviously impact performance. On x86-64 (x64), the WOW64 'emulator' simply redirects all calls from 32 bit application to the system registry and folder locations into a seperate area, so that the 32 bit apps cannot conflict in any way with the 64 bit apps. CPU instructions on this platform however, are not emulated, and are passed directly to the CPU, as every x64 compatible processor is capable of natively running x86. In this case, there is no slow down as there is no CPU emulation. It seems there is a lot of confusion when people talk about x86-64 and 64-bit, as Itanium does tend to get involved. It is possible that I am also very confused, so if anyone knows better please post :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590377076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 If I remember rightly (it's been a while since I read up on this), the 'emulation' that we are talking about here is not the same kind of emulation that you will find in the Itanium (i64) builds of Windows.On Itanium, the processor is physically unable to run x86 code, so the WOW64 emulator completely translates the code to Itanium compatible instructions and passes these to the CPU. This is like running the PowerPC versions of Linux inside PearPC on an x86 machine (or in fact games console emulators like SNES). Complete emulation like this will obviously impact performance. On x86-64 (x64), the WOW64 'emulator' simply redirects all calls from 32 bit application to the system registry and folder locations into a seperate area, so that the 32 bit apps cannot conflict in any way with the 64 bit apps. CPU instructions on this platform however, are not emulated, and are passed directly to the CPU, as every x64 compatible processor is capable of natively running x86. In this case, there is no slow down as there is no CPU emulation. It seems there is a lot of confusion when people talk about x86-64 and 64-bit, as Itanium does tend to get involved. It is possible that I am also very confused, so if anyone knows better please post :) +100 you got it in the right track (Y) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590377118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
excalpius Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 On Itanium, the processor is physically unable to run x86 code, so the WOW64 emulator completely translates the code to Itanium compatible instructions and passes these to the CPU. Yes, when Intel bought the DEC Alpha 64 bit CPU technology from Compaq, they acquired the FX!32 binary translation/emulation program code used to run 32 bit applications on 64 bit DEC Alpha processors. For the Itanium, Intel uses the latest, updated, rebranded version of that code. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590377122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scratch42069 Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 Sorry, my bad. I mean, for x86 programs to work on x64 :http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/...22/9244582.aspx This also means that it is slower, as it is emulation. It's a negligible performance loss. Seriously, the 2003 FUD against 64-bit doesn't work anymore with hardware and drivers the way they are nowadays. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590377136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+John. Subscriber¹ Posted January 7, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted January 7, 2009 I'm thinking at least some info will be announced today. Typical PST time though, means it's around 2 in the morning over here in the UK. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590377154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomwarren Veteran Posted January 7, 2009 Veteran Share Posted January 7, 2009 I'm thinking at least some info will be announced today. Typical PST time though, means it's around 2 in the morning over here in the UK. 2:30am to be exact :) I'll be posting all the stream URLs and a Coveritlive blog up later for everyone to follow along :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590377156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrCheese Posted January 7, 2009 Share Posted January 7, 2009 2:30am to be exact fail :(I'd watch it... but work tomorrow.. shame it wasn't last week when I was off Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/717592-windows-7-official-public-beta/page/11/#findComment-590377184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts