scaramonga Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I'm going to have to side with the others stating that 7106 is in fact older code than 7077. To those who think otherwise obviously don't understand how the coding process works or 'upgraded' to 7106 from 7077 thinking its a newer build and don't want to face the facts. Haven't we been through all this before?............. 7106 is OLDER code than 7077!!! Jesus :rolleyes: Well at least, no one screams for Vista now lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Prowler Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Haven't we been through all this before?.............7106 is OLDER code than 7077!!! Jesus :rolleyes: Well at least, no one screams for Vista now lol! Ok, well other than your word or some others that post here give us some reputable sources for this discrepancy in version numbers and build dates. Until then I'll take it as your word for it, and I'll believe what I have that is reputable and it's the build number and date associated with 7106. Just because you say it?s so, doesn't make it so. Been running it fine so far and I see no difference visually. I could have stuck with 7077 and been just as happy. Just let it go; Some peopl:rolleyes:s: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crackler Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Ok, well other than your word or some others that post here give us some reputable sources for this discrepancy in version numbers and build dates. Until then I'll take it as your word for it, and I'll believe what I have that is reputable and it's the build number and date associated with 7106. Just because you say it?s so, doesn't make it so. Been running it fine so far and I see no difference visually. I could have stuck with 7077 and been just as happy.Just let it go; Some peopl:rolleyes:s: Stubborn people irk me...:rolleyes:s: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Ok, well other than your word or some others that post here give us some reputable sources for this discrepancy in version numbers and build dates. Until then I'll take it as your word for it, and I'll believe what I have that is reputable and it's the build number and date associated with 7106. Just because you say it’s so, doesn't make it so. Been running it fine so far and I see no difference visually. I could have stuck with 7077 and been just as happy. Their consistant refusal to give any evidence from reliable sources is very questionable. I wouldn't call Thurrot reliable, he's been wrong many times before :pinch: Stubbornly shouting "It's older just because I said so!" is no good argument either :no: You have to be "confused" (to avoid the use of harsher, more fitting words) if you think it happened like this: "Ok, today we'll build 7080 on winrc, and we'll also build 7106 on winmain. Should we base 7106 off 7080?" "Nah, that would be really boring. Let's base it on a five day old build that I still have lying around somewhere, that's much funnier!" :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamp Post Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 This is just non-sense. The code is clearly dated forward and there is nothing to validate anybody's theory that 7106 is anything other than newer code then 7077. Please direct us to some REAL VERIFIABLE notices that can verify. All I've seen are posts from people that are clearly not informed and spreading this non-sense from others that are spreading this non-sense. It's beeen stated before... changes and fixes from 7077 are not in the 7106. I.e. the 7106 code cannot be newer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalE Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Why do these always leak in China first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denholm Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Paul Thurrott says there is little difference between this build and 7077, so I'm going to save my download until the public RC is actually ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Prowler Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Why do these always leak in China first? There was an announcemet from MS not to download leaks becuse there COULD be a possibility of reverse engineering and altering the code. Now, I'm thinking... Why would the chinese want to do anything like that. They are our friends and allies. I'd take a chinese leak over a russian leak anyday. Well, maybe I should think about that a little longer. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 This is just non-sense. The code is clearly dated forward and there is nothing to validate anybody's theory that 7106 is anything other than newer code then 7077. Please direct us to some REAL VERIFIABLE notices that can verify. All I've seen are posts from people that are clearly not informed and spreading this non-sense from others that are spreading this non-sense. 7106 is just a recompiled version of 7076, recompiled to reflect the fact that it has been merged into the RTM code branch, it is still possible to recompile the build from existing code and give it a new build number. Chris123nt is a well known Windows expert, and I can assure you all he knows what he is talking about. If you people want to go download the build go ahead, but if you are expecting something better, newer, or with different features to 7077 you are going to be disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Prowler Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 7106 is just a recompiled version of 7076, recompiled to reflect the fact that it has been merged into the RTM code branch, it is still possible to recompile the build from existing code and give it a new build number.Chris123nt is a well known Windows expert, and I can assure you all he knows what he is talking about. If you people want to go download the build go ahead, but if you are expecting something better, newer, or with different features to 7077 you are going to be disappointed. "Paul Thurrott says there is little difference" as quoted from another poster. I think everyone has to take it as it looks, like a newer build, which the date and version number indicates. You need to read all of the posts on the topic at the chriss123nt site because there are a few posters that contradict some of his theories on how builds are compiled and dated, and they sound like they are more informed then him. It is a newer build, although it might have little differences from 7077, but who knows as MS is pretty tight lipped about unofficial leaks. I?m running it with no problems. It scoots right along as did the others did. I did notice that I can now install Symantec Endpoint (only tried the latest). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToneKnee Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Christ123nt > Paul Thurrott. Paul has proved again and again that he is unreliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0nyX Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Christ123nt > Paul Thurrott.Paul has proved again and again that he is unreliable. Couldnt agree more. :rolleyes: Bet Paul runs 7106 in Chinese just for the sake of it... :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrrampage Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 7106 could be nice but 7077 is also good to have .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Prowler Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Christ123nt > Paul Thurrott.Paul has proved again and again that he is unreliable. Both of them have had their problems in the past. I really only believe what I can see.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEVER85 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Yeah right, go and tell that your granny :no:7077 has been built on 4th of April: 7077.0.winmain_win7rc.090404-1255 7106 has been built four days later, on 8th of April: 6.1.7106.0.winmain.090408-1623 (same day as build 7080) So that means 7106 is older? Suuuure... :rofl: Please give hard evidence for your unfounded claims. You were already owned. You can stop posting now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 For the clincher... Just look at the fact that some of the visual elements that where introduced into 7077 aren't in 7106. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Prowler Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 For the clincher... Just look at the fact that some of the visual elements that where introduced into 7077 aren't in 7106. The Windows 7 UI will be changing so this should't be suprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tN0 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 For the clincher... Just look at the fact that some of the visual elements that where introduced into 7077 aren't in 7106. Please take a closer look and you will see that 7106 has even more improved gradients on the Taskbar buttons. The ugly "cloud" behind the active taskbar icon is gone but it is different then before 7077. And the edges are as round as in 7077. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I am tired of this debate, I am not going to discuss things with people who feel the need to resort to offensive language. I will part with 1 closing argument and that is simple Old code can be RECOMPILED. That doesn't make it new, or different. Yes the build date changes, but that is irrelevant, it is the same damn code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 It's beeen stated before... changes and fixes from 7077 are not in the 7106. I.e. the 7106 code cannot be newer. You obviously don't understand the word "split" :pinch: The code has been split into two main forks, winrc (7076+) and winmain (7105+). That means, changes done in winrc don't automatically appear in winmain, because the two are built separately. When the final RC will be completed, the two trunks will be unified again, and the changes from winrc will be introduced into winmain. You were already owned. In your dreams perhaps :rofl: You can stop posting now. Same to you. Please take a closer look and you will see that 7106 has even more improved gradients on the Taskbar buttons. The ugly "cloud" behind the active taskbar icon is gone but it is different then before 7077. And the edges are as round as in 7077. True, but it seems it's pointless talking to them :pinch: They don't want to see anything what in their preconceived opinion can't possibly be. They keep repeating "It's older! It's older! It's older!" likey a litany, without giving any solid evidence, as if it would become more true if you just repeat it often enough :no: I somehow feel reminded to bible-thumping preachers. it is the same damn code. How would you know? Have you seen the code at the Windows Main Build Labs? Most certainly not. So, unless you can back up these unfounded claims with solid evidence, don't expect people to blindly believe you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terminx Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 I'm with you, Ba'al. Half of these people don't have a clue beyond what they read on some website. The simple fact of the matter is that when you tag a snapshot of your code to branch off and release, the branch doesn't magically become newer code than what's in your trunk, where your actual development continues. I think the people trying to say that winmain is just the same code recompiled over and over are the most clueless... in reality, all of the builds from the winrc branch (7076 through 7100 or wherever they stop) are the ones that are the same code. In fact, I would even wager that most of the code in the winrc branches doesn't get rebuilt every day. Why do you think all of the winrc branch builds have almost the exact same time of day in the build string? Because the automated process runs at the same time every day and attaching a manifest with an updated build number to an exe or dll is instantaneous compared with recompiling every single individual object file, which clearly isn't happening because every build from the winrc branch is almost the exact same damn code. Whatever though. I'd like to hear the thought process behind the idea that winmain builds are somehow older than winrc builds, even though I suspect it won't make any sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kpo6969 Subscriber¹ Posted April 18, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted April 18, 2009 Build 7075.winmain (April 1) = 7105.winmain (April 4) Build 7076.winmain (April 2) = 7106.winmain (April 8) Build 7077.winmain_win7rc (April 4) = 7107.winmain (April 9) http://icrontic.com/articles/charting-windows-7-development Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ToneKnee Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 The Windows 7 UI will be changing so this should't be suprising. Don't post crap, it's only a rumour that an new UI is coming, and even then it'll only be small, enough of this fud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Prowler Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Don't post crap, it's only a rumour that an new UI is coming, and even then it'll only be small, enough of this fud. So yet you say it's crap then you say "new UI is coming, and even then it'll only be small".... Noithing else to do? What are you 12? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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