timmmay Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 I call BS :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590861714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Chris's information is usually accurate and Paul is accurate too. The case here is Paul claimed that winmain builds have stopped and Microsoft are focusing on RC which is partially true in a way, the RC builds have been branched but until the RC is declared the work and builds that are 710x are still 707x/708x builds replicated so yes winmain is just a shaddow of the RC builds at the moment so technically "no work is being done" but it's a bit more complicated than that. I bet you'll refuse again to back up your assumptions with reliable sources, right? Replicating the winmain builds using winrc builds which are a few days older would make no sense whatsoever, and you still expect people to believe that? :hmm: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590865864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lamp Post Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I bet you'll refuse again to back up your assumptions with reliable sources, right?Replicating the winmain builds using winrc builds which are a few days older would make no sense whatsoever, and you still expect people to believe that? :hmm: Yet, the code in 7106 is older, it does not include the changes done in 7077. What is your explanation to make sense of this? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590866818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Yet, the code in 7106 is older Feel happy parroting that unfounded claim? :pinch: it does not include the changes done in 7077. What is your explanation to make sense of this? The builds were split into two main forks, winrc (7076+) and winmain (7105+). That means, changes done in winrc don't automatically appear in winmain, because the two are built separately. When the final RC will be completed, the two trunks will be unified again, and the changes from winrc will be introduced into winmain. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590869802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Jeez why the heck is this so hard for you to understand They are BRANCHING the code, not replacing it. 71xx builds will be part of the RTM line, and will be developed towards the RTM release. The branching is just a way to split their development, so that they can put some of their focus into delivering the RC. Bugs that are found in the RC will be merged back into the official RTM code line, as development on the RC line will probably be frozen once the build is released. These recompiled builds are a replacement of nothing, just the start of the RTM line. As I stated in another thread recompiling code does not make it newer, regardless of what the build tag says Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590869848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Jeez why the heck is this so hard for you to understand I'll just give that back to you. They are BRANCHING the code, not replacing it. I never claimed they would be *replacing* anything, don't make up things out of thin air here. I just said they split the code into winrc and winmain. 71xx builds will be part of the RTM line, and will be developed towards the RTM release. The branching is just a way to split their development, so that they can put some of their focus into delivering the RC. Bugs that are found in the RC will be merged back into the official RTM code line, as development on the RC line will probably be frozen once the build is released. That's just what I said above. Once the final RC has been completed, any changes done in winrc will be merged back into winmain. When the final RC has been released, it will of course make no sense anymore to continue the winrc branch. As I stated in another thread recompiling code does not make it newer, regardless of what the build tag says You're contradicting yourself here :pinch: Above you said that they branched as a way to split their development. Nothing to say against that. Now you're saying that they actually didn't split their development and that winmain is the same as winrc, just recompiled with a different build tag. Having two builds of the same code, with the sole difference being the build tag would make no sense whatsoever. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590869912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted April 18, 2009 Subscriber² Share Posted April 18, 2009 If you see Tom W. Have him explain it to you. All I know is that I am staying with build 7077 until the RC1 is released. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590869926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 If you see Tom W. Have him explain it to you. All I know is that I am staying with build 7077 until the RC1 is released. No one is forcing you to use anything else if you don't want to. Or did you see a man with a pistol standing behind you, demanding that you install 7106 or whatever? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590869930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Delta Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Above you said that they branched as a way to split their development. Nothing to say against that.Now you're saying that they actually didn't split their development and that winmain is the same as winrc, just recompiled with a different build tag. Having two builds of the same code, with the sole difference being the build tag would make no sense whatsoever. Really, please just stop pretending to be an expert because you aren't pulling it off all too well. What I said may not have been clear to you, but it is to me, and the statement that a recompiled build doesn't have to be newer is correct. And yes, it does make sense, it is really quiet simple. The code branches are merged so that they can focus on finalising the RC code and remove any showstopping bugs before release. They then continue working on the RTM code line and merge any fixes from the RC stage back into it. You have to have a startline, and the startline is the recompiled build from the RC branch, it is merely recompiled to signify a divergence into the new codeline. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590870118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris123NT Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Wow, Ba'al you're overcomplicating the hell out of this lol. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590870132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kpo6969 Subscriber¹ Posted April 18, 2009 Subscriber¹ Share Posted April 18, 2009 Wow, Ba'al you're overcomplicating the hell out of this lol. +1 Build 7075.winmain (April 1) = 7105.winmain (April 4) Build 7076.winmain (April 2) = 7106.winmain (April 8) Build 7077.winmain_win7rc (April 4) = 7107.winmain (April 9) http://icrontic.com/articles/charting-windows-7-development Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590870144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Really, please just stop pretending to be an expert because you aren't pulling it off all too well.it is really quiet simple. That, too, goes right back at you, Mr. "Quiet Simple". The code branches are merged so that they can focus on finalising the RC code and remove any showstopping bugs before release. They then continue working on the RTM code line and merge any fixes from the RC stage back into it. You have to have a startline, and the startline is the recompiled build from the RC branch, it is merely recompiled to signify a divergence into the new codeline. You really think they waste that much time to merge the current winrc code into winmain every day? :blink: Hardly. They'll maintain both branches separately and then merge the changes from winrc into winmain once the final RC has been built. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590870156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Canuck Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Why doesn't everyone just wait and see what happens? :) Seems like a fairly simple solution to me. Fighting over which builds contain what and when they were compiled accomplishes nothing. What does it even matter anyways? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590870186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmatic Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 so let me get this straight, after the split at 7076, the 710x branch is used for implementing new features, and the 707x branch is used for fixing bugs? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590870196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pc_Madness Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 so let me get this straight, after the split at 7076, the 710x branch is used for implementing new features, and the 707x branch is used for fixing bugs? Correct. :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590870380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 You really think they waste that much time to merge the current winrc code into winmain every day? :blink: Hardly. They'll maintain both branches separately and then merge the changes from winrc into winmain once the final RC has been built. At this point I don't think they're working on Winmain already. They're just finishing up WinRC so it gets just that little more stable and has those little quirks ironed out. As soon as RC is done they will continue in the Winmain branch. At this point they are probably just copying things over, so Winmain and WinRC will be exactly the same. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590870526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ba'al Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 so let me get this straight, after the split at 7076, the 710x branch is used for implementing new features, and the 707x branch is used for fixing bugs? Yes, that's how I see it as well. In the winrc branch, any remaining bugs are worked out, to make the RC as polished as possible. In the winmain branch, the new features for Rtm will be implemented, and the bugfixes from winrc will be merged here once the final RC is done. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590873136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez8 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 Now that is sexy upgrade bg Enjoy the fresh breeze fellas.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590873138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randolph Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 wow @ this thread am i the only one who hasn't even touched the Windows 7 OS YET and is waiting for RTM? :unsure: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590873182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wguimb Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 You may be part of the few on this forum but 99% of the general public know little to nothing about Windows 7 at this point. Some of us (myself included) live for this stuff. Once Windows 7 RTM is out, we will have to get a real life I suppose. ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590873242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez8 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 You may be part of the few on this forum but 99% of the general public know little to nothing about Windows 7 at this point. Some of us (myself included) live for this stuff. Once Windows 7 RTM is out, we will have to get a real life I suppose. ;) You still got Windows 8 :laugh: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590873246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wguimb Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 :) Good point. Where is that beta signup page for Windows 8? :omg: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590873270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ez8 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 :) Good point. Where is that beta signup page for Windows 8? :omg: I remember when Windows Vista RTM leaked, everyone was talking about "Melinda Gates serial key" I LOL'd. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/759482-windows-7-rcrtm-builds/page/2/#findComment-590873312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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