Halo Reach Thread

[Green_Eye]

And as you saw, I also suck, which is why I have everyone on mute except people in my party. :laugh: So no doubt besides the time, sucking is not helping with my overall liking the game or not, but with that said I have no desire to get better. I know just as with every other game I could eventually get decent if I wanted to, I just do not care enough one way or the other.

With that said, I 110% agree it was definitely a lot of fun being in a group like last night. That would be the one and only reason I would ever play it again if I do.

Come on Larry you know that for the majority of the people that you are going to play with myself and friends included winning means nothing! It is the experience of playing together that brings out the real fun so quit yer bitching and lets go do some crazy **** with Warthog and some kind of rocket launcher :p

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

I was wondering why it put both of us together in that two man team. I figured it would spread out the rankings putting a lower ranked player with a higher ranked one for balance. Also, I thought the needler was more powerful than it turned out to be.

Yeah same here, I guess they do not have any type of balancing in place.

If you joined in a party, wouldn't you be on the same team?

We played the mode where it was 2 people to a team for like 6 or 8 teams, and literally me and Ironman were the lowest ranked out of everyone and thrown on the same team.

Fair enough.. But don't mistaken me, I play BFBC2 as well. :p.

Pffft, I am talking about BF1942 on!!! Level 10 BF Veteran here!!

I think you're misreading some of the comments. No one hates SWAT, it's just extremely annoying to be forced to play it over and over and over ad nauseum. I love the DMR and pistol, but I can only play a gametype with only those weapons for so long. I don't understand why Bungie did that -- why not throw the shotgun in there, the sniper, the assault rifle -- you know, stuff a SWAT team would actually probably have.

I definitely prefer stuff more like Battlefield, but Halo's multiplayer isn't horrible. Just overrated.

Ahh okay, although there is at least one person I did not misread it, see above.

Come on Larry you know that for the majority of the people that you are going to play with myself and friends included winning means nothing! It is the experience of playing together that brings out the real fun so quit yer bitching and lets go do some crazy **** with Warthog and some kind of rocket launcher :p

I do enjoy playing with everyone, I do, just do have other games to play as well. If there was nothing else to play, it would be a much easier decision. But you just may have talked me into it. (Y)

[Green_Eye]

Yeah same here, I guess they do not have any type of balancing in place.

We played the mode where it was 2 people to a team for like 6 or 8 teams, and literally me and Ironman were the lowest ranked out of everyone and thrown on the same team.

Pffft, I am talking about BF1942 on!!! Level 10 BF Veteran here!!

Ahh okay, although there is at least one person I did not misread it, see above.

I do enjoy playing with everyone, I do, just do have other games to play as well. If there was nothing else to play, it would be a much easier decision. But you just may have talked me into it. (Y)

Yeah and believe me Larry I am as much a BF player at heart as you are and believe me it annoys the crap out of me when I have to shoot someone for 20 mins before they die but the fact that so many of us can get together and just have some ape-**** crazy session in the blood gulch remake that makes it all worth it in the end. Forget the end score or the kill/death ratio that don't matter for **** its the fun we have while playing (Y)

[Livin in a box]

I am SICK of the CRAPPY DMR's in this game. I'm finding SWAT on maps such as Heamorrage INFURIATING as people stand on one side of the map and headshot me every time, while I fire a while round at someone stood still and they DON'T DIE. Hitboxes are highly irritating too; I don't know how many times I need to shoot someone in the head before they bloody die.

[Cupcakes]

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/09/28/are-halo-reach-cheaters-using-auto-aim.aspx

LMAO RAPIDFIRE + AUTOAIM = RAGEQUIT.

O.O

[killmaster84]

http://gameinformer....g-auto-aim.aspx

LMAO RAPIDFIRE + AUTOAIM = RAGEQUIT.

O.O

Walls, we don't need walls were we're going.

[Razorwing]

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/09/28/are-halo-reach-cheaters-using-auto-aim.aspx

LMAO RAPIDFIRE + AUTOAIM = RAGEQUIT.

O.O

my goodness.

[killmaster84]

Just to be a dink...

[Sikh]

Just to be a dink...

Man why you always gotta bust my ass? Lol.

Maybe I should save the clip of me pulling you aside wnd sticking my knife in your balls? Idk I don't feel like being as ass.

[killmaster84]

Man why you always gotta bust my ass? Lol.

Maybe I should save the clip of me pulling you aside wnd sticking my knife in your balls? Idk I don't feel like being as ass.

I remember an overkill with the banhammer, don't remember getting special assassinated by you. Must say though playing with ya was fun missed chripping people after you kill them.

[Green_Eye]

http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/09/28/are-halo-reach-cheaters-using-auto-aim.aspx

LMAO RAPIDFIRE + AUTOAIM = RAGEQUIT.

O.O

Holy ****! I thought I was just being a sore loser yesterday when I accused that guy of cheating! :laugh: I encountered one of these *******s yesterday and it was immensely annoying how he wasn't even looking in my direction and boom headshot! Why on earth do you gota cheat you low life inbred nerdlings? Why?! *headbutts wall*

[killmaster84]

Anyone down for some Arena doubles?

[Smashing Pumpkin]

Half way thru, this is pretty epic..!

[goji]

It's a shame. There's a lot of great aspects of the multiplayer, but overall it's just so... bland. And I still think the vehicle implementation is the worst I've ever seen in a multiplayer FPS. It'd be different if there were some sort of balancing aspect to it, but there really isn't.

I'm going to jump on my soap box here yet again and agree with this sentiment whole heartedly.

I played some of Halo 3 multiplayer but due to other obligations never truly involved myself within that community. Halo 2 however was a completely different story. I played the heck out of that game online despite hating what Bungie did to the story and the over all mechanics. If it wasn't for Xbox Live Halo 2 probably could have flopped. But I digress.

After booting up Reach online I found that very old familiar feeling creeping back in: "haven't I played this before?" Sure have, back in 2004. Other than cosmetics and tweaks, nothing has really changed. Sure weapon balances have shifted greatly, vehicles have been added, and yet, aside from the new integration features the 360 Live experience added to the old structure nothing feels "fresh."

Had Bungie worked with MS to create a server environment (if that is even possible with Live?) where you can drop in and out of games, without cause to be penalized as it is now, I would have considered that an actual evolution of the experience. All we received was a way to vote on 3 options or veto them all for yet another three options.

[Ayepecks]

I'm going to jump on my soap box here yet again and agree with this sentiment whole heartedly.

I played some of Halo 3 multiplayer but due to other obligations never truly involved myself within that community. Halo 2 however was a completely different story. I played the heck out of that game online despite hating what Bungie did to the story and the over all mechanics. If it wasn't for Xbox Live Halo 2 probably could have flopped. But I digress.

After booting up Reach online I found that very old familiar feeling creeping back in: "haven't I played this before?" Sure have, back in 2004. Other than cosmetics and tweaks, nothing has really changed. Sure weapon balances have shifted greatly, vehicles have been added, and yet, aside from the new integration features the 360 Live experience added to the old structure nothing feels "fresh."

Had Bungie worked with MS to create a server environment (if that is even possible with Live?) where you can drop in and out of games, without cause to be penalized as it is now, I would have considered that an actual evolution of the experience. All we received was a way to vote on 3 options or veto them all for yet another three options.

IMO, it's not only the multiplayer with that problem. The singleplayer had a strong first half, but the second half just played like a bland, aged game. The areas where Reach excelled were the areas in which it tried something new, in my mind.

Reach is a solid 8/10 for me, and I think it's an improvement over Halo 2 and Halo 3, but I just wanted Bungie to advance the franchise more. I'm one of the few, but I honestly thought ODST was a great stepping point for Bungie. They came up with Firefight, they tried new level design and a new aspect, and the storytelling was so much better than the previous two games. It was a fun diversion, maybe not a full-price product like it was sold, but at least it was an attempt at something new. The first half of Reach was like that (besides the storytelling), but after that it went downhill fast.

[Cupcakes]

Had Bungie worked with MS to create a server environment (if that is even possible with Live?) where you can drop in and out of games, without cause to be penalized as it is now, I would have considered that an actual evolution of the experience. All we received was a way to vote on 3 options or veto them all for yet another three options.

As far as being dropped out/in, that's entirely possible. COD4 (WaW, MW2) had that capability where you were able to join a game that was already in progress. Majority of the time it was a negative experience (often people on losing team will quit so you'll join the losing team...) but Halo could have easily adopted this as well to avoid the whole issue with quitters. If people quit a game there's a reason for that. It's usually when you're on horribly inbalanced teams that are stomping the hell out of you and you don't want to put up with it.

I don't often quit any matchmaking games but I don't see a reason to punish people for it. Especially if you can easily have people join that session then it's not a problem at all and no more 4v1 (w/ 3DNF) or something.

[goji]

IMO, it's not only the multiplayer with that problem. The singleplayer had a strong first half, but the second half just played like a bland, aged game. The areas where Reach excelled were the areas in which it tried something new, in my mind.

Reach is a solid 8/10 for me, and I think it's an improvement over Halo 2 and Halo 3, but I just wanted Bungie to advance the franchise more. I'm one of the few, but I honestly thought ODST was a great stepping point for Bungie. They came up with Firefight, they tried new level design and a new aspect, and the storytelling was so much better than the previous two games. It was a fun diversion, maybe not a full-price product like it was sold, but at least it was an attempt at something new. The first half of Reach was like that (besides the storytelling), but after that it went downhill fast.

See I have to give it 6/10 because of the first half: It didn't sell me on why I should be playing the title.

The most glaring issue is of course the story. For one, Noble Team's existence is never explained, nor is the differentiation made between what your group minus Jorge is, Spartan III's or what those classification of Spartan's are. For that matter it is never really explained why Noble Six was transferred in, aside from a brief comment. To understand however one would have to had watch the live action trailer that was released prior to the game's launch. For those who didn't see it well then though luck.

At this point in the game humanity and the Covenant are at war. Unfortunatley Bungie opted not to introduce any aspect of the conflict other than to assume players simply knew about it already or simply didn't care. Let's just shoot stuff! In short Reach has a sloppy-in-game story telling where players are not drawn in but rather talked over as the game unfolds.

Again I agree with you on ODST. It was a great overpriced expansion of the universe. The way the story unfolded while traversing a living occupied war zone was impressive! Furthermore the side story about the city AI was equally enthralling. I found myself playing the game in order to finish the side story! Though I will give credit to Bungie for expanding Firefight and allowing for more options in setting up these and LAN specific multi-player games.

As far as being dropped out/in, that's entirely possible. COD4 (WaW, MW2) had that capability where you were able to join a game that was already in progress.

Really? Then why not allow for this in Reach? It's 2010, surely Bungie can create a solid online Live experience that actually empowers players to choose what they would like to play!

[Cupcakes]

Really? Then why not allow for this in Reach? It's 2010, surely Bungie can create a solid online Live experience that actually empowers players to choose what they would like to play!

Yeah, the only qualm like I mentioned earlier was searching and getting tossed into a game that's either just ending, over, or you're getting horribly spanked (something like 6400 to ... 1200). Usually occurs more often when you search as a party of 1 than say as a party of 2-4.

That's why I hated going in by myself in COD4 and still hate it on MW2.

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

Yeah, the only qualm like I mentioned earlier was searching and getting tossed into a game that's either just ending, over, or you're getting horribly spanked (something like 6400 to ... 1200). Usually occurs more often when you search as a party of 1 than say as a party of 2-4.

That's why I hated going in by myself in COD4 and still hate it on MW2.

That's the one and only thing I truly dislike about matchmaking in console games. It's even worse when you're put into a game moments before it ends. It happens to me a lot in MW2. Ugh!

[Cupcakes]

That's the one and only thing I truly dislike about matchmaking in console games. It's even worse when you're put into a game moments before it ends. It happens to me a lot in MW2. Ugh!

Well the only positive is that it doesn't count against your winning streak! I'd be ****ed because I worked HARD AS HELL to get to my 1337 winstreak. I had to restart it like 4 different times >.<.

[Ayepecks]

See I have to give it 6/10 because of the first half: It didn't sell me on why I should be playing the title.

The most glaring issue is of course the story. For one, Noble Team's existence is never explained, nor is the differentiation made between what your group minus Jorge is, Spartan III's or what those classification of Spartan's are. For that matter it is never really explained why Noble Six was transferred in, aside from a brief comment. To understand however one would have to had watch the live action trailer that was released prior to the game's launch. For those who didn't see it well then though luck.

At this point in the game humanity and the Covenant are at war. Unfortunatley Bungie opted not to introduce any aspect of the conflict other than to assume players simply knew about it already or simply didn't care. Let's just shoot stuff! In short Reach has a sloppy-in-game story telling where players are not drawn in but rather talked over as the game unfolds.

Again I agree with you on ODST. It was a great overpriced expansion of the universe. The way the story unfolded while traversing a living occupied war zone was impressive! Furthermore the side story about the city AI was equally enthralling. I found myself playing the game in order to finish the side story! Though I will give credit to Bungie for expanding Firefight and allowing for more options in setting up these and LAN specific multi-player games.

Oh, I fully agree that the story was utter crap from the get-go. The first half of the story was atrocious, and it didn't get much better (if any better) the second half. But the big thing for me was the gameplay. The level design and types of the first half of the game really set it apart from other Halo games. The sniper level, for instance, was vastly superior to any sniper level on a previous Halo game.

I give the first half of the game a pass on the story problems (which were major, again, don't get me wrong) because of the strength of the gameplay. The second half of the game was just the same old "throw enemies at you in this order" style of previous Halo games. The final portion of the game is a perfect example of Halo gameplay -- just so bland.

I'm so disappointed that Bungie seemed to finally get the storyline elements right in Halo with ODST, then they revert back to quite possibly the worst storyline they've ever had with Reach. What's even more of a shame is that Reach had the best backstory (and potential for a good storyline) out of all the Halo games. How they failed, I simply do not know. It's like they looked at Modern Warfare 2 for an example of how to do a storyline.

Honestly, I'm glad 343 Studios is taking over. I think they're going to do much better things with the story given how ingrained they've been with story elements (and supplements) of Halo, and they'll have all the resources and talent they need.

[sweetham]

I bought this game primarily for the singleplayer story as I have always been a fan, and with little expectations of multiplayer as the past iterations have kind of ruined the whole halo experience for me. While I did enjoy the campaign Im finding it hard to justify likeing this game.

From the cheap enemy AI on heroic or legendary, to a story that needs to be flourished out more, to an eerie feeling that a lot of the level design in some areas feels like a copy paste job from previous games, it just needs work. Some praises I will give the game though are Spaceship battle, while rather short, it was enjoyable and something new and fresh. The zero-g part was also fun and should have lasted longer. Reach also brought Dr. Halsey into the mix for those who know little of her and I wish they would of developed her character just a little more.

Multiplayer is pretty much what I expected out of a game from Bungie given their past history with Halo 2 and Halo 3. While the core gameplay is solid I would suppose, there are so many things that add to the entire package that just infuriate me. Matchmaking yet again, with no user hosted lobbies or user control of keeping questionable people out of your games (cheaters, modders, etc). There is absolutely no reason a server browser should not have been implemented for Custom games. Something that was promised for Halo 3 and then cut, still does not make it into the next game? GTFO. A Betrayal system that is stupid unforgiving and will almost always give the option to boot after one betrayal. A penalty for quitters that has had absolutely no effect on those of us who actually stick it out besides people still quitting and most likely being the host which causes the game to come to a stop while a new host is picked. Vehicle imbalancing out the ass. Why they decided to put a total of 14 ****ing vehicles on Hemmorage I have no clue. I cant not play that map with being constantly accosted by a vehicle. A voting system that has resulted in nothing but having to play a SWAT match 10 times in a row because the Bungie can't seem to make a good playlist ever. I always loved playing team slayer only to be thrown into a team snipers match in H2 and H3 when the stupid gametype had its own seperate playlist to begin with. It still seems that kind of stupidity is still lingering in Reach. Even the control sensitivity feels sluggish this time around, maybe its because I have been off of halo for too long but it just feels too slow even on 10 sensitivity. Saving graces and definite mentions, Invasion good team orientied objective gametype but needed more maps out of the box because I doubt I will be purchasing any DLC for this game (especially with their fiascos in H2 and H3 where they slowly locked out playlists unless you had the DLC instead of keeping it optional ala MW and MW2). Forge world improvements are a great add. Firefight inclusion and improvements are also a steal. Armory unlocks while costly are a nice touch, even though its for aesthetics only. Active roster gets an honorable mention as well, while not really needed it does add a bit of ease to getting together with friends.

I could point out a ton of other things I see wrong with this game, but it would be pointless. Overall the game feels like a solid standard Halo title, but it just doesnt really progress the franchise any and still has little community control of multiplayer games which is a big turn off for me. At most I would give this a game a 6 out of 10. It is probably more because I have just moved away from the Halo franchise over the years. I find it hard to stay attached to this series for anything other than singleplayer storyline.

As others have stated, I am glad Bungie is moving on because I do not think they have anything left to give to help this franchise forward that would make me want to come back to both the SP and MP experiences.

[Emn1ty]

I love Hemorrhage and yet I never set foot in a vehicle... I don't understand the frustration people get with a lot of vehicles on a map.

[sweetham]

I love Hemorrhage and yet I never set foot in a vehicle... I don't understand the frustration people get with a lot of vehicles on a map.

Its usually because I get the one not so smart person on our team that takes our team's tank and gets in blown up instantly and then our entire team spends half the match getting spawn killed by the other teams tank because for some reason the game doesnt want to spawn us in our own base. There is no cover on the map besides a few rocks and the side caves which are pretty much impossible to get to with a tank round getting shoved down your throat. And the one true anti-tank weapon spawns in the middle of the map.

[Emn1ty]

Its usually because I get the one not so smart person on our team that takes our team's tank and gets in blown up instantly and then our entire team spends half the match getting spawn killed by the other teams tank because for some reason the game doesnt want to spawn us in our own base. There is no cover on the map besides a few rocks and the side caves which are pretty much impossible to get to with a tank round getting shoved down your throat. And the one true anti-tank weapon spawns in the middle of the map.

Well, honestly that is the way it always played. Still, the map will be updated to the way it was in Halo 2. The Scorpions will be replaced with Wraiths in the October update.