wellofsouls Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 07:11, x-byte said: Norton is more than a antivirus. most people don't need those non-antivirus parts of Norton, which are mostly useless anyway... On 25/01/2010 at 07:11, x-byte said: If you look at the antivirus product of 2009 as a turd then the problem might be you. One website's opinion is hardly any indication of universal truth. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592152364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Reid Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 07:17, x-byte said: Because 95% of the users have gone home at that time on Friday ... And shut down the computer. would it be too much of a task to have all computers automatically boot, run the scan, and then turn off? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592152376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-byte Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 08:21, wellofsouls said: most people don't need those non-antivirus parts of Norton, which are mostly useless anyway... One website's opinion is hardly any indication of universal truth. Considering the ones it competed against it should matter. And one sites is more credible than any user here.And your opinion that other features in Norton is useless isn't any better. For most users it's a much needed feature to have. On 25/01/2010 at 08:24, reidtheweed01 said: would it be too much of a task to have all computers automatically boot, run the scan, and then turn off? You can, but much more work. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592152426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+John. Subscriber¹ Posted January 25, 2010 Subscriber¹ Share Posted January 25, 2010 I wonder how many versions it'll take for people to give Norton a second chance and realise that Symantec have changed their ways. If you were ever in the Beta, you could literally see a build-for-build improvement. Brilliant software now. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592152448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 08:51, x-byte said: Considering the ones it competed against it should matter. And one sites is more credible than any user here. And your opinion that other features in Norton is useless isn't any better. For most users it's a much needed feature to have. That's just your opinion, which isn't any better nor any more credible than any user here anyway. For most users, Norton is antivirus, so non-antivirus features are useless and not needed. And there are sites (for example ssupdater and co.) that think the AVC is just crap. Ofcourse that's just another site's opinion, just like AVC's opinion... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592152490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-byte Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) I'm not going to argue your opinion. We wont agree anyway. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592152538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Old Man Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 24/01/2010 at 18:09, i_was_here said: @mzta cody 1. Do you have anything better to do than bash Symantec? NAV has supposed gotten much better. 2. So you don't think the lighter and free alternatives have green indicators too? And Im sure free AVs have the "illusion of safety" as well. For example maybe on a computer running MSE a piece of malware goes undetected but then you switch to avast and it detects it. Lots of angry Norton fans in this thread it seems. Norton might well be going through a renaissance right now but the fact remains that Norton has been pretty terrible in past versions. It started out as a really good AV but over the years got more and more bloated and buggy. Trust is like virginity, you only lose it once. Norton failed me in the past and caused me problems so now matter how good it is just now I wouldn't go back, not when there are free alternatives which are much better. Granted, not all of the free alternatives are good (AVG used to be good but, like Norton, has become seriously bloated with each new version) but even the worst free AV is marginally better than Norton. If you love Norton, fine. I just don't see the point in paying for a subscription for something that you can get for free elsewhere. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592152556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanx Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 09:50, Tepidbroth said: Trust is like virginity, you only lose it once. At some point, every AV/IS maker is gonna screw up. It's how they bounce back that speaks a lot. Symantec cleaned up their act with NIS 09 and built on that in 2010. I think it's very reductionist that people have a mindset of a few years ago instead of looking at the facts of today. On 25/01/2010 at 09:50, Tepidbroth said: If you love Norton, fine. I just don't see the point in paying for a subscription for something that you can get for free elsewhere. Two things I'd never be a cheapskate on -- an OS and AV/IS. You're not paying money for nothing. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592152594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 10:07, vanx said: At some point, every AV/IS maker is gonna screw up. It's how they bounce back that speaks a lot. Symantec cleaned up their act with NIS 09 and built on that in 2010. I think it's very reductionist that people have a mindset of a few years ago instead of looking at the facts of today. Granted, Norton nowadays is no longer trying to be a be-all end-all suite aka. Nero, but it's still far from a clean and slim software like Avira, NOD32, or even MSE, not to even mention its Enterprise siblings like Symantec AV and McAfee Enterprise. I get an antivirus software to protect the system silently at the background, not to gaze at some flashy radar-like graphs and dots that eats up resources for nothing. On 25/01/2010 at 10:07, vanx said: Two things I'd never be a cheapskate on -- an OS and AV/IS. You're not paying money for nothing. not sure about the AV/IS part, but if you are using a free OS like Linux or BSD, you will basically have no need for AV/IS. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592153312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Lyle Global Moderator Posted January 25, 2010 Global Moderator Share Posted January 25, 2010 I have to agree that Norton is better than McAfee. There product just looks better and performs better IMO. Norton is way more user friendly in my books Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592154050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanx Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 13:34, wellofsouls said: I get an antivirus software to protect the system silently at the background, not to gaze at some flashy radar-like graphs and dots that eats up resources for nothing. It is rather unfair to take a product and criticise it because it doesn't fit your requirements, no? NIS 09/10 runs quietly in the background and is very light on resources. Yes, it is rather graphical when it comes to representation of some data, but only if you ask it to show that data. On 25/01/2010 at 13:34, wellofsouls said: not sure about the AV/IS part, but if you are using a free OS like Linux or BSD, you will basically have no need for AV/IS. As you pointed out, it's an "if" scenario. Personally, I wouldn't move to Linux/BSD to save money on OS/AV/IS. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592154172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted January 25, 2010 Member Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 09:50, Tepidbroth said: If you love Norton, fine. I just don't see the point in paying for a subscription for something that you can get for free elsewhere. I feel the same way. I'm happy with MSE. I doubt if I would ever go back to a paid version. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592154186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
master2k27 Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 norton is a very good product in lots of ways Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592154192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_was_here Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 09:50, Tepidbroth said: Norton might well be going through a renaissance right now but the fact remains that Norton has been pretty terrible in past versions. Emphasis is mine. On 25/01/2010 at 09:50, Tepidbroth said: I just don't see the point in paying for a subscription for something that you can get for free elsewhere. I wouldn't pay for it either, but I also don't bash it based on old experiences. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592154236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Old Man Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 16:34, Growled said: I feel the same way. I'm happy with MSE. I doubt if I would ever go back to a paid version. The problem I have with Microsoft is that they have a habit of arbitrarily ditching products. I quite liked MSE, but I have no idea how effective it really is. I didn't feel properly secure with it, which is why I switched to Avast 5 when it came out. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592154274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetaAddict Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 16:48, Tepidbroth said: The problem I have with Microsoft is that they have a habit of arbitrarily ditching products. I quite liked MSE, but I have no idea how effective it really is. I didn't feel properly secure with it, which is why I switched to Avast 5 when it came out. This has been my initial thoughts as well, but there are now benchmarks that confirm its effectiveness, placing it among the best free alternatives to paid AV. Only problem is that you have to trust Windows Firewall to provide the other half of the protection, though it should hold majority of the time. Now with regards to Norton, I vouch for it as the best paid AV software available. It should not be overlooked that I too once thought Norton was crap, but that was 5 years ago. Get over it, ignorant neowinians. Companies change; technology update; products transform. I have been avid Norton user for the past 2 years and have found no other AV that matches it simplicity, aesthetics, and performance. This comes after trying NOD32, Kaspersky, and a bunch of other popular AVs. To see McAfee constantly getting new partnership deals despite their crappy product that has not improved in years is a disgrace. I am really happy to see Comcast came to its senses and will finally offer free Norton 360 for all of its subscribers, including me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592154338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanx Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 16:34, Growled said: I feel the same way. I'm happy with MSE. I doubt if I would ever go back to a paid version. Fair enough, if you're happy with MSE. I am, on the other hand, always wary of using free versions of OS, AV/IS and such "serious" software. To me, it matters more if there's money on it. Also, considering that AV software is not Microsoft's traditional market, I am concerned that they'd lack motivation to do a good job. While a lot of people seem to like it, it is yet to shine in lab tests. Back on topic now... ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592154352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
barfster Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 But Microsoft DO have money riding on the quality of their a/v. Doesn't MSE share the same engines and definitions as their corporate product Forefront Client Security? Personally I've found MSE definitions to frequently pick up stuff that Symantec Corporate definitions were missing. It does have its faults though, scan speed really is quite atrocious... On 25/01/2010 at 17:04, vanx said: Fair enough, if you're happy with MSE. I am, on the other hand, always wary of using free versions of OS, AV/IS and such "serious" software. To me, it matters more if there's money on it. Also, considering that AV software is not Microsoft's traditional market, I am concerned that they'd lack motivation to do a good job. While a lot of people seem to like it, it is yet to shine in lab tests. Back on topic now... ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592154742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjoswald Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 (edited) Antivirus software seems to be a "flavor of the week" type of deal these days, but it's nice to know they're putting their best foot forward for the sake of their customers. Of course that's subjective and we all know how touchy people are about AV, but still... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592156308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pharos Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 A client asked me to install Norton 360 for her since she paid big money for a 3-PC license. I felt compelled to skip it and install a free alternative like Avira or even MSE because of all the negative things I heard (and I've always had a horrible experience with Symantec), but then I wouldn't be following my client's request. So I swallowed my pride, installed Norton 360, and I was really surprised at how well it ran! I feel they are still catching up, but it is a solid piece of software, and I bet their next release will be even better. McAfee though, really is BAD! So good job, Comcast. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592156460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 On 25/01/2010 at 17:00, BetaAddict said: Now with regards to Norton, I vouch for it as the best paid AV software available. It should not be overlooked that I too once thought Norton was crap, but that was 5 years ago. Get over it, ignorant neowinians. Companies change; technology update; products transform. I have been avid Norton user for the past 2 years and have found no other AV that matches it simplicity, aesthetics, and performance. This comes after trying NOD32, Kaspersky, and a bunch of other popular AVs. To see McAfee constantly getting new partnership deals despite their crappy product that has not improved in years is a disgrace. I am really happy to see Comcast came to its senses and will finally offer free Norton 360 for all of its subscribers, including me. On 26/01/2010 at 00:56, Pharos said: So I swallowed my pride, installed Norton 360, and I was really surprised at how well it ran! I feel they are still catching up, but it is a solid piece of software, and I bet their next release will be even better. McAfee though, really is BAD! So good job, Comcast. It seems many Norton fans are also McAfee bashers. Granted I've not used a McAfee product for five months, but for the past three years where the company I worked for used McAfee Enterprise, it's quite solid, and version 8.0 to 8.5 to 8.7 are always improving, and it usually catches more virus (and other suspicious stuffs) than Symantec AV. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592156514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetaAddict Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 (edited) On 26/01/2010 at 01:11, wellofsouls said: It seems many Norton fans are also McAfee bashers. Granted I've not used a McAfee product for five months, but for the past three years where the company I worked for used McAfee Enterprise, it's quite solid, and version 8.0 to 8.5 to 8.7 are always improving, and it usually catches more virus (and other suspicious stuffs) than Symantec AV. Mcafee Enterprise is an entirely different product marketed for businesses and is not available for the typical consumer. I am not even going to argue with you on this and will go out on a limb to say McAfee Enterprise is one of the best business AVs out there that you will probably find installed by many, if not majority, of major corporations. However, when speaking about consumer products, McAfee is horrible in comparison to Symantec/Norton AV or other alternatives. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592156624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wellofsouls Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 On 26/01/2010 at 01:52, BetaAddict said: Mcafee Enterprise is an entirely different product marketed for businesses and is not available for the typical consumer. I am not even going to argue with you on this and will go out on a limb to say McAfee Enterprise is one of the best business AVs out there that you will probably find installed by many, if not majority, of major corporations. However, when speaking about consumer products, McAfee is horrible in comparison to Symantec/Norton AV or other alternatives. well, both Symantec AV and McAfee Enterprise are business AVs, and both are far superior to their home version siblings. I do think the home version of McAfee is quite bad, even worse than Norton AV depending on editions, but it's still quite absurd to say Norton is the best AV out there. Even the AVC comparison, which gave Norton the AV of 2009 award, showed that Norton is not the best in catching malware nor performance, it seems they rated Norton highest for some secondary functionalities like speed of on-demand scan (okay, faster speed is nice, but its importance should come WAY after malware catching ability, after all, when users perform a whole system scan, they want the system clean, not whether it takes 30 minutes or 50 minutes to finish the scan), non-antivirus features (another thing that should come WAY after malware catching ability, since people are buying an AV software), and UI aesthetics (errr... this should come WAY WAY after all other features, as long as the UI is functional) I do agree that Norton has improved in recent years, but I still find it hard to recommend it over AVIRA, NOD32, etc. if it's an AV software you are looking for. On 25/01/2010 at 16:31, vanx said: It is rather unfair to take a product and criticise it because it doesn't fit your requirements, no? NIS 09/10 runs quietly in the background and is very light on resources. Yes, it is rather graphical when it comes to representation of some data, but only if you ask it to show that data. I'd bet most people who want to buy an AV software would have their primary requirements to be protecting their system as best and silently as possible. On 25/01/2010 at 16:31, vanx said: As you pointed out, it's an "if" scenario. Personally, I wouldn't move to Linux/BSD to save money on OS/AV/IS. My point is that Linux/BSD is not "cheapstake" compared to paid alternatives. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592156750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawr_boy81 Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 On 26/01/2010 at 01:11, wellofsouls said: It seems many Norton fans are also McAfee bashers. Granted I've not used a McAfee product for five months, but for the past three years where the company I worked for used McAfee Enterprise, it's quite solid, and version 8.0 to 8.5 to 8.7 are always improving, and it usually catches more virus (and other suspicious stuffs) than Symantec AV. Bashing denotes an irrational hatred towards something - McAfee and Norton earned the scorn because for over a decade they've shovelled crap not only on the market as 'the product to have' but also through OEM channels via crapware. I've got two machines both loaded with Microsoft's own malware and anti-virus installed since it came out - not a single virus I have had and not a single notable situation of slow down because of its presence. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592157636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Old Man Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 On 26/01/2010 at 09:08, rawr_boy81 said: Bashing denotes an irrational hatred towards something - McAfee and Norton earned the scorn because for over a decade they've shovelled crap not only on the market as 'the product to have' but also through OEM channels via crapware. I've got two machines both loaded with Microsoft's own malware and anti-virus installed since it came out - not a single virus I have had and not a single notable situation of slow down because of its presence. A lack of viruses on one's computer doesn't necessarily mean the AV is doing a good job; it can also mean the user is intelligent enough to avoid dodgy websites and files which will give them a virus. I know people who click on anything on a website simply "because it was flashing". Using AV software is really secondary to common sense. I still think McAfee and Norton suck though. And so does AVG these days; it's getting increasingly bloated with each new version. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/868420-comcast-dumps-mcafee-for-symantecs-norton-security-suite/page/2/#findComment-592157672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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