I didn't pull trigger....

[Sinixstar]

The problem is - there is nothing you need to control.

You don't need to take charge, you don't need to order anyone to do anything.

You are not trained nor equipped to 'take charge' of any situation. In some cases attempting to do so will land you in court, even if everything else turns out okay.

The only thing you need to do - is get out alive.

If you can't avoid a situation, you need to remove yourself from it before anything happens.

If you cannot remove yourself from a dangerous situation - you need to find a way to put an end to it as swifty as possible. Whether or not that involves a weapon is up to you, and depends on circumstances.

Trying to take control, and hold people, simply prolongs the period in which you are faced with potential attackers.

As I hope you have learned, just because you have a gun - doesn't mean they're going to do what you want them to.

You were attacked by men who knew you had a weapon - and chose to rush you anyways.

They had no intentions of complying with ANYTHING you had to say. If faced with a similar situation, you should expect a similar result. That's what people like that DO.

You're right, no amount of training can prepare you for having to make split second decisions that mean life or death. I hope to god i never find myself in your place like that.

What the training should teach you though, is the context in which to view the world when faced with situations like that.

You're still not thinking about your own life and well being as the primary objective - and that's what will get you hurt.

[Growled Member]

The only thing you need to do - is get out alive.

And not only you but everyone else. I don't carry a gun but I don't allow myself to get into those kinds of situations either.

[Sinixstar]

And not only you but everyone else. I don't carry a gun but I don't allow myself to get into those kinds of situations either.

In a perfect world - yes.

In the real world - that's not always going to happen.

[Sulphy]

..... you took the high road....! Kudo's !

[Angelic Marge]

Did you casually flick your coat up to flash your gun like they do on telly? :laugh:

[carmatic]

i agree with the getting out alive part... sometimes we make things alot more complicated than we have to...

maybe 'shoot first, ask questions later' wouldnt be such a bad idea ... but maybe a loud noise from the shot would be enough to sober them up instantly, i dunno...?

[Black Flash]

Glad to hear you're okay. I'm not going to tell you what to do but next time you find yourself in a hole like that you shouldn't take a chance. I'm not for gun ownership(not the way it is in the U.S), but you might as well use the system you have in place to defend yourself.

[deletedxyz]

I think this belongs in the Member's Metropolis sub forum.

[Green_Eye]

I think that Sinixstar said it about as well as it's going to be said (Y)

[mokthraka]

I think that Sinixstar said it about as well as it's going to be said (Y)

expect the part about the military and how cooks are not trained in combat.

EVERYONE goes through basic training, that includes weapons.

[Hell-In-A-Handbasket]

imo they stopped once they saw the gun, they started again because they figured you would be the type of person that has it just to carry it and not use it.

they tested it by coming towards you after they knew you had a gun, and proved it by the time they got halfway.

stop carying a gun, your a liability with it

[Growled Member]

imo they stopped once they saw the gun, they started again because they figured you would be the type of person that has it just to carry it and not use it.

Yeah, animals know who are scared of them and that's the people they bite. Punks know who has a gun for show and who plans on using it. I don't carry a gun but if I did I'd shot someone in a heartbeat if they messed with me. I guess that's why they rarely do.

[markwolfe Veteran]

expect the part about the military and how cooks are not trained in combat.

EVERYONE goes through basic training, that includes weapons.

You *DO* realize that your statements do not support each other.

"trained in combat" != "weapons training"

Yes, they fire an M-16 (at least back when I went through basic). But that is not combat training.

[BGM]

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[markwolfe Veteran]

this thread is ****ing out of control..

tired of getting my inbox spammed

*unsubscribe*

Offtopic, but I hope that one day you learn that Neowin allows you to unsubscribe without bitching in a thread about it. ;)

[Dc'1]

Tbh, I would probably have done the same, I'm not the guy who likes to harm people, even when I'm drinking, it just makes me talk more s*** :p

But I wouldn't instantly try to take their lifes, maybe shoot them in the leg or something?

Or all of them, that'll stop them for a bit ;) maybe make them think.

[Sinixstar]

You *DO* realize that your statements do not support each other.

"trained in combat" != "weapons training"

Yes, they fire an M-16 (at least back when I went through basic). But that is not combat training.

Yea - there's a difference between qualifying, and knowing what you're doing. Any idiot can learn how to hit a silhouette from X meters in an afternoon or two.

[Paul Paliath]

Heh, you're really lucky you're alive. I'm rather shocked you stayed at that location and didn't take any further action though, but hey, when in the real world trouble strikes we really have no idea how we'll react or handle it.

That couldn't be me in that predicament though, because drunk or not or whatever motive they have in my view they're hostiles if they're trying to harm me, and for that reason I couldn't give a crap if I injured/killed them in self defense. If they grab my throat, hit me, or take any other action towards me I wouldn't just take it, because nobody's worth getting paralyzed/badly injured/brain damage over. I would have pulled the trigger, again, with no regrets because it was in self defense. I wasn't randomly shooting someone, or taking anyone's life without them attempting to take mine first. I mean, in such a situation, who knows how far the attackers will go?

Yeah, they were drunk, but they were still trying to harm you. Again, you're lucky that you're alive though, and congrats I guess for not pulling the trigger? :p

[Raa]

I think you should've shot them - but to neutralise, not kill them.

Like you, I wouldn't have shot to kill, but a warning shot would've make them think twice and know you mean business.

Another shot at an arm, or leg would've been enough to down the first perp and back the rest off.

Yes I realise you need to be a good shot - but even if you miss and nick them, they'll know you're serious.

I'm glad you came through in the end though mate - well done. I hope they get the book thrown at them.

[Elessar]

At the end of the day, pulling the trigger makes you no better then they are - possibly even a little worse. You did the right thing, you should feel proud of yourself!

I feel people are given too many chances in life to **** up and get away with it. If I had the chance to pull the trigger on someone who was attacking me I would. Whose to say they won't do it again later. Maybe tomorrow, maybe in a few years? Clearly they are a nuisance to society...that said, to each his own. Props for keeping a calm head during the whole ordeal. I think you would have been fine either way but at the end of the day we all have to live with our choices and you seem to be doing just fine :)

EDIT: I don't want to come off as a cold-hearted ******, but I'm not going to give someone the chance to possibly kill me if I can help it. I'd rather the other person get shot (and possibly die) than for me to be the one hurt and/or dead.

[wrack]

Glad to hear you are fine mate :)

It takes a lot of self control not to pull the trigger. Given you had a split mind condition to do two different things but you went through. Hope those scumbags gets a piece of justice.

[Malfunctional]

Sidroc, I completely agree with what you have added to your original post, don't beat yourself up over messing up the first time. It seems like you have learned from the experience and are now a better ccw holder, glad your okay.

As for you people telling him to aim for the legs or maim or whatever, please stop giving advice on a topic you clearly know nothing about, hitting a target with a handgun under nice range conditions is already difficult, add in the stress from a dangerous situation like that and you cannot expect to hit more than twice. You should always aim for the chest, do not worry about whether or not you kill or wound him only fire until he has stopped moving towards you. If he dies then fine, you acted in self defense, if not then good for him but the important part is that you have protected yourself.

[mattmatik]

I always thought it was illegal to carry a loaded weapon? Maybe its the unconcealed part.

Anyway, people like that, who are "out drunk looking for a fight" really **** me off. I don't know if I could pull the trigger on someone but one thing I cannot stand is people like this who are out to cause harm to innocent people. I've encountered similar situations at professional sporting events. Dudes get all soaked up for 2 hours then they are hammered and just want to fight. WTF?? What the hell gives anyone that idea that it is okay?

[BlackSteyrAug]

I would have fired. I say that now, but who knows when I'm in the position you were in.

[itzwolf]

On one hand I commend you for not pulling the trigger and taking a life. It is something that I never want to have to do. Taking that beating though could have proved worse in so many ways. Your gun could be on the street right now and used for a murder or holdup, I would personally feel really bad about that. None of us can really say how we truly will react under that circumstance until, god forbid, that it does happen.

On the other however, showing it off was very stupid and could have gotten you instantly shot if they had a gun. Letting them know you want no trouble respectfully and seeing the first reaction would have been what to do. If they instead came at you and you simply leave that would have been better, or if it put you in a dangerous situation to turn your back cause the car was to far then standing your ground would have been warranted.

You learned a valuble lesson here that will forever change you and help if you ever find yourself in that situation again. Thanks for sharing your story!