Meet Firefox 4.0.1

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kilara1988

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I have another weird flash problem for the past few nightly-es since b7 came out.

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I can't interact with the player at all.It is like it is a picture.And there shouldn't be black border around it too.

It's not an addon problem because with all addons disabled it is the same.

This does not happen with flash players like the ones on youtube.It happens on players like this one(embedded or something?i don't know exactly),and players on forum posts and such.

I don't know how to describe this more accurately, but it is very annoying.

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eilegz

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I cant understand mozilla or firefox team, WHAT THE HELL are they doing with the UI, first the tabs on the top and eliminate the menu and title bar, later the position of stop and reload button and NOW they eliminate the status bar.

The main issue of firefox its not the UI, i like the UI and so its the mayority of those that its still using firefox 3.6 and if we can account for ie, safari and firefox users we are the mayority, if people hated the firefox interface it the first place they changed to chrome or opera or MAYBE they customize it they way they wanted it.

Why screw your loyal users in changing the UI just for the sake of the minority, i cant understand it, what its worse its that they think that copying chrome make sense... Most of the people i know that changed to chrome from firefox its because of the PERFORMANCE and SPEED, and that should be the main focus of mozilla o firefox team.

STOP messing the UI and forcing things (like the elimination of the status bar), one reason that people like firefox its because its one of the most customizable browser, and sure i can customize the thing a wanted it seems that the core functionality its force for those changes in the interface and that its so wrong.

I remember when ie moved to version 7 and people sticked with 6 it took almost two version from 6 to 8 so that the less savvy person can get used to it and now microsoft its changing it again with ie9.

Firefox dont need a change the ui, if people dont want the status bar they can disable it, but by eliminating it you dont give option to those that use it.. I think that firefox team its in the middle of identity crisis...

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SoapyHamHocks Member

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I cant understand mozilla or firefox team, ............

There is nothing wrong with the tab placement, the stop-reload, or the menu button. What is the point of the statusbar to you? The functions of it have just been moved. If you don't feel Firefox is the browser for you, there are many other options you can choose from.

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Kirkburn

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Quick question. Would you be happy if OSX looked like OS 8? If Win7 looked like Win 3.11? I doubt it.

Things change, and generally for good reason. The majority are actually likely to find Firefox's current UI confusing and overly complex. Not the minority.

When Chrome first arrived I feel like I tried to dislike the idea of tabs on top. But after a few hours of mulling exactly how the controls work and what they apply to - it makes a lot of sense. Each page has its own controls, which change as you move between them.

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adiopse

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Quick question. Would you be happy if OSX looked like OS 8? If Win7 looked like Win 3.11? I doubt it.

Things change, and generally for good reason. The majority are actually likely to find Firefox's current UI confusing and overly complex. Not the minority.

When Chrome first arrived I feel like I tried to dislike the idea of tabs on top. But after a few hours of mulling exactly how the controls work and what they apply to - it makes a lot of sense. Each page has its own controls, which change as you move between them.

Too bad Fx isn't delivering a Chrome "tabs on top" experience. Chrome actually moves the tabs into a place that isn't in use, saving more room for screen real estate. Fx is just changing the order. That said, I do think it makes more sense to have each tab have it's "own" url bar. The other way didn't really confuse me but it was counter-intuitive.

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Too bad Fx isn't delivering a Chrome "tabs on top" experience. Chrome actually moves the tabs into a place that isn't in use, saving more room for screen real estate. Fx is just changing the order. That said, I do think it makes more sense to have each tab have it's "own" url bar. The other way didn't really confuse me but it was counter-intuitive.

That's incorrect, there is an open bug for tabs in the titlebar.

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eilegz

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There is nothing wrong with the tab placement, the stop-reload, or the menu button. What is the point of the statusbar to you? The functions of it have just been moved. If you don't feel Firefox is the browser for you, there are many other options you can choose from.

status bar show information of the links, it place for addons, the new addon bar its just the bigger version of the status bar, that waste more space, have less functions. so far its useless the change.

Quick question. Would you be happy if OSX looked like OS 8? If Win7 looked like Win 3.11? I doubt it.

Things change, and generally for good reason. The majority are actually likely to find Firefox's current UI confusing and overly complex. Not the minority.

When Chrome first arrived I feel like I tried to dislike the idea of tabs on top. But after a few hours of mulling exactly how the controls work and what they apply to - it makes a lot of sense. Each page has its own controls, which change as you move between them.

not really, the new version of firefox its only overcomplicating everything for power users and users that used the "old" interface before, by having more click, wasting more time for looking a single option, its does not simplify anything at all.

As i said before mozilla should focus on their main weakness and its the performance issues, other than that a little cleaning of default options but not a radical change for the UI its welcome.

the removal of the status bar create bloat and clutter inside the address bar with having the extension button there like chrome and opera.

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Leonick

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Ok, is this addressed anywhere?

On my Mac, with Beta 7, all the flash elements don't work. I have installed the beta "Square" or something, and now it works, but only when it's not fullscreen'ed. Wtf man?

yea, it's even mention on the same page as your post... it's a know bug...

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adiopse

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That's incorrect, there is an open bug for tabs in the titlebar.

Are you saying this bug is going to be fixed? I haven't seen any change across all the betas, so far.

How about: Until it is fixed, it's not offering what Chrome does.

better? ;)

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I looked at the bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572160

And it's not blocking Fx4, and listed as "NEW". There is a post nominating it for Fx4, but so far that's it.

So, I reiterate my previous statement. Fx is not offering the Chrome "tabs on top" experience. Hopefully, that changes.

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Kirkburn

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Check the bug comments: a patch is already ready, it's being looked at.

Somethign doesn't have to be nominated to block to be implemented. No, it's not guaranteed to land in 4, but it's looking good so far as I can tell.

(Why would you see changes already across the betas? It's a individual feature request - it either happens or doesn't, it can't really happen in stages).

Btw, let's refer to it as tabs in titlebar, to allay confusion.

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adiopse

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Check the bug comments: a patch is already ready, it's being looked at.

Somethign doesn't have to be nominated to block to be implemented. No, it's not guaranteed to land in 4, but it's looking good so far as I can tell.

(Why would you see changes already across the betas? It's a individual feature request - it either happens or doesn't, it can't really happen in stages).

Btw, let's refer to it as tabs in titlebar, to allay confusion.

Fair enough. It has been nominated though, just not set as blocking. I guess the question is, why isn't it blocking Fx4? I'm fairly optimistic it will land, but the fact that it isn't blocking doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.

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Chaltalian

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It's a good thing they delayed Firefox 4, because it seems like there is just a huge amount of work to still be done. Especially with the UI.

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Kaidiir

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I think Opera had an option to put tabs on top first, but not 100% sure on that.

Anyways to respond to my first remark, here is a side by side comparison of this version of Firefox and Chrome 5. I think Chrome wins. :)

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Off topic, but what's the program you use to get network statistics in the Win7 taskbar? Google has failed me (or I've failed at Google).

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bogas04

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I cant understand mozilla or firefox team, WHAT THE HELL are they doing with the UI, first the tabs on the top and eliminate the menu and title bar, later the position of stop and reload button and NOW they eliminate the status bar.

You can revert each of them :)

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The_Decryptor Veteran

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Latest Mac nightly is much faster, they've removed certain calls to OpenGL API which has sped it up a whole bunch.

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I'm pretty certain Valve also ran into similar issues with the same API calls when porting Source to OS X, it seems to be a general deficiency in the OpenGL layer on OS X.

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