tuckeratlarge Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I keep hearing people gloat about has fast it is, but how is the text rendering? Has it improved? I've tried beta 6 and 7 but couldn't stick with it because pages look like crap. Beta 8 font rendering looks like crap agreed, if Mozilla don't change it then 3.6 will stay on as my browser. Then again is there any performance gain to be won/lost with turning the feature off? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593551594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted January 3, 2011 Veteran Share Posted January 3, 2011 Turning off DirectWrite reduces the text quality, and also disables Direct2D (You don't want to mix the old API with the new API) Edit: Oh yeah, and it also disables a bunch of other stuff like support for some international scripts and changes the way Firefox sees fonts, but that just brings it into par with previous versions. And any bugs in DirectWrite will need to be fixed by Microsoft, and it's very likely that will happen (IE9 also uses DirectWrite, and is running into the same bugs) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593551632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogas04 Posted January 3, 2011 Author Share Posted January 3, 2011 Beta 8 font rendering looks like crap agreed, if Mozilla don't change it then 3.6 will stay on as my browser. Then again is there any performance gain to be won/lost with turning the feature off? Turn off hardware acceleration = less memory usage + better fonts + snappy browser UI + slow hardware accelerated sites(ie9 experiments and stuff) = better than staying @ 3.6 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593551634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee G. Veteran Posted January 3, 2011 Veteran Share Posted January 3, 2011 Beta 8 font rendering looks like crap agreed, if Mozilla don't change it then 3.6 will stay on as my browser. Then again is there any performance gain to be won/lost with turning the feature off? I think it's better if you turn off hardware acceleration. I prefer the default font rendering: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593551758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogas04 Posted January 3, 2011 Author Share Posted January 3, 2011 I think it's better if you turn off hardware acceleration. I prefer the default font rendering: HAed fonts (just for comparison sake) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593551958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisdoland Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 The font rendering with Hardware Acceleration is the best reason to use FF. I have a 720p monitor that looks great with FF compared to other browsers. After finding a bug in Beta 8 & switching to Opera 11, I have returned to the gecko fold with Minefield & the freakin awesome "Stratiform" extension! I really wonder what monitor you font disturbed members are using. Maybe it's your graphics? Glaucoma? This is the best, sharpest, crisp looking fonts that are only rivaled by IE9. I found it hard to use Opera 11 after Ff. Though with Opera 11, Ff could take a look at how they get that speed, smoothest scrolling, & fast launch. Maybe Ff needs to cache itself in memory like IE9. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593552630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown_97784568745 Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593553010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuckeratlarge Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I turned off the hardware acceleration in beta 8 and it's now very nice and readable. I have also noticed on sites such as PC mag, Lifehacker or Gizmodo, where in Firefox 3.6, Chrome 9 or IE9 the fonts were blurry and unreadable forcing me to "Ctrl+" a couple of times to make them readable - which buggers the images somewhat - Beta 8 with hardware acceleration off displays them beautifully thus allowing me to "Ctrl0" back to the site intended size. Nice. I haven't noticed any increase in speed over 3.6 though. I don't care about the startup times, or memory usage, I'm more interested in the page rendering and tab opening. They all seem the same to me @dotnetnightmare I fail to see what the monitor has to do with this problem when other browsers render the fonts nice and sharp. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593553276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auroka Posted January 3, 2011 Share Posted January 3, 2011 I've been using beta 8 for awhile now and its awesome. :) I took everyone's advice and turned off hardware acceleration and now everything is way more readable. Stupid question... how are people using Greasemonkey and Stylish on b8? "This add-on has not been updated to work with your version of Firefox."... :/ Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593553510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted January 3, 2011 Supervisor Share Posted January 3, 2011 get the add-on compatibility reporter Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593553536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auroka Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Does this happen to anyone else? I pinned Gmail as an app tab and every time I restart Firefox it always "takes to long to load." Its fine once I refresh the page, but its really annoying... I hardly have any add-ons, and I disabled the ones I was using and it still happens. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593553810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted January 4, 2011 Veteran Share Posted January 4, 2011 A slight change to how text is rendered has landed in the latest nightly, at the moment it's just for Direct3D 9 users (i.e. Windows XP or people with D2D disabled), but the change now means that text should retain sub-pixel anti-aliasing everywhere (Currently it depends on the opacity of the page layer it was drawn into). The change should also be making it's way to OS X soon enough, with Direct3D 10/DirectWrite taking a bit longer. I turned off the hardware acceleration in beta 8 and it's now very nice and readable. ... A nicer solution is actually just to disable Direct2D (about:config > direct2d.disabled > true), you'll fall back to software rendering for the majority of content, but page display will still be hardware accelerated. Edit: Generally you'll want to keep Direct2D/DirectWrite enabled though, speed increases are a plus and DirectWrite is just a better text rendering API than GDI is, see this example. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593555092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted January 4, 2011 Administrators Share Posted January 4, 2011 I have direct2d.disabled set to true and I find that the fonts are way easier to read (less blurred) I also disabled Hardware Acceleration. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593555360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted January 4, 2011 Veteran Share Posted January 4, 2011 You should leave hardware acceleration enabled, it'll speed up page rendering a fair bit (as well as <video> playback) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593555438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven P. Administrators Posted January 4, 2011 Administrators Share Posted January 4, 2011 You should leave hardware acceleration enabled, it'll speed up page rendering a fair bit (as well as <video> playback) Oh alright then :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593555470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuckeratlarge Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 A nicer solution is actually just to disable Direct2D (about:config > direct2d.disabled > true), you'll fall back to software rendering for the majority of content, but page display will still be hardware accelerated. Trying that now, fonts look ok Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593555486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtreme $niper Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Well at least they're giving people the option to turn off hardware acceleration. I have a feeling I'll need to flip that switch to avoid unnecessary battery drain if FF decides to require my dedicated GPU as opposed to the integrated. I'm still holding off on trying the betas though because I don't want to deal with messing up my 3.6 profile or managing separate profiles just to try a browser... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593555760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPJames19 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 HAed fonts (just for comparison sake) That bottom screenshot looks really cool. Is it a skin? and what are those 3 buttons neat the minimize button on top right of your screen? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593557182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
max2 Posted January 4, 2011 Share Posted January 4, 2011 Well at least they're giving people the option to turn off hardware acceleration. I have a feeling I'll need to flip that switch to avoid unnecessary battery drain if FF decides to require my dedicated GPU as opposed to the integrated. I'm still holding off on trying the betas though because I don't want to deal with messing up my 3.6 profile or managing separate profiles just to try a browser... Why not use the portable version of Firefox 4 Beta then so you don't have to! http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable/test That or a second pc but I highly doubt everyone here has that. You can even try the latest nightly minefield build as well if you really want. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593557456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShMaunder Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Got a error messagebox on it earlier telling me the tab animation had timed out with an actual listed bug number for it. Except for the odd copy & paste issue i get when using 4, its a brilliant browser. Though i can't see the point in the mini menu on Windows - might as well just press 'Alt' ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593557640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dnast Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Wow, they're really pushing Beta 9 out the door. There are only 7 blockers left. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=blocking2.0%3Abeta9%2B Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593557706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chasethebase Reporter Posted January 5, 2011 Reporter Share Posted January 5, 2011 If you find the font rendering not to your liking, open up the Start menu (Vista/7 only, XP has a Powertoy i think they're called) and type 'ClearType,' it should find the setting tweaker and you can adjust the appearance accordingly. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593557716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
max2 Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Wow, they're really pushing Beta 9 out the door. There are only 7 blockers left. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=blocking2.0%3Abeta9%2B :D Not to quick now Mozilla! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593557902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogas04 Posted January 5, 2011 Author Share Posted January 5, 2011 That bottom screenshot looks really cool. Is it a skin? and what are those 3 buttons neat the minimize button on top right of your screen? Its a Stylish code i took form various places :p thanks to SoapHamHock and Heart-ripper majorly Created userstyle out of it : http://userstyles.org/styles/42286 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593559052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malisk Posted January 5, 2011 Share Posted January 5, 2011 Wow, they're really pushing Beta 9 out the door. There are only 7 blockers left. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=blocking2.0%3Abeta9%2B Yes, it's going to be a scheduled release unlike beta 8. So they're pushing out the bugs if they don't have time to fix them. It's not an indication of them fixing bugs like mad. ;) They're just postponing those to the next beta and moving them out of the beta 9 timeframe. Beta 9 will be out by mid-january unless something unexpected happens. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/144/#findComment-593559170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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