ViZioN Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Firefox really isn't that smooth in scrolling. Chrome does not properly support touch either. I can't wait for this generation of browsers to hit rtm. I am tired of using betas, but the current final versions just do not offer as nice of an experience. Also, is it possible for a browser to cause a blue screen? I've had the same OS install for a good couple of months and had my first this morning. I enabled the layers.use-d3d10. Very strange coincidence. I'd disagree. I think the smooth scroll in Firefox is the best of any browser I've used. Granted I am using the Smooth Scroll extension but even trying to replicate this on Chrome doesn't produce nearly as smooth results. I can most my settings if you'd like. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Veteran Posted October 3, 2010 Veteran Share Posted October 3, 2010 1. I.E is 10 times worst, and slowest. Have you tried IE9? It totally beats Firefox. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Dude Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Granted I am using the Smooth Scroll extension but even trying to replicate this on Chrome doesn't produce nearly as smooth results. I can most my settings if you'd like. What a extension on FF you use? Whats your settings, please? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argi Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Firefox must know something, any features without performance are meaningless, i started to think of it like M$ OS which turned to be a huge garbage as they can't take the decision to start from scratch, so they keep update their old code. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You expect Microsoft to break compatability with EVERY application that runs on their OS thereby destroying their market advantage? Are you nuts? Minwin is the closest you'll ever get to a rewrite of Windows (and that involved a lot of copy-pasta still) - direct quote from an MS employee I know. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViZioN Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 What a extension on FF you use? Whats your settings, please? It's the SmoothWheel addon. Settings: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyDX Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 It's the SmoothWheel addon. Holy wow that's ultimate win with D3D10 at my end, thanks!^^ Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViZioN Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Holy wow that's ultimate win with D3D10 at my end, thanks!^^ No problem :) Yeah it's pretty awesome on FF 4.0. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason13524 Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Firefox must know something, any features without performance are meaningless, i started to think of it like M$ OS which turned to be a huge garbage as they can't take the decision to start from scratch, so they keep update their old code. Rubbish post of the decade goes to you :laugh: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted October 3, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted October 3, 2010 It's the SmoothWheel addon. Great Add on. Thanks :yes: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XP_2600 Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Rubbish post of the decade goes to you :laugh: Thank for your politeness:). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason13524 Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Thank for your politeness:). Thats ok :rofl: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XP_2600 Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. You expect Microsoft to break compatability with EVERY application that runs on their OS thereby destroying their market advantage? Are you nuts? Minwin is the closest you'll ever get to a rewrite of Windows (and that involved a lot of copy-pasta still) - direct quote from an MS employee I know. Nice, i agree with you they cannot change it for the backward compatibility, but it means you have to live with an OS based on code written about twenty years ago, is it something acceptable ?! lets assume they started an OS from scratch now, can you imagine how it will be faster and more reliable ? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViZioN Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Nice, i agree with you they cannot change it for the backward compatibility, but it means you have to live with an OS based on code written about twenty years ago, is it something acceptable ?! lets assume they started an OS from scratch now, can you imagine how it will be faster and more reliable ? Microsoft's latest OS is fast and reliable. I've not had a single crash and I've had it installed since release. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwod Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Have you tried IE9? It totally beats Firefox. On Gfx acceleration, Yes. But apart from that, i dont see it being better then Firefox. It is still slowest ( apart from GPU acceleration ) of all, Firefox b7Pre, Chrome and Opera. It start up slower then those " third party " browsers. It is still not as standard compliant as all other three. But it is still a HUGE step forward for IE9. And granted it is still very early in their Beta stage. So many good things to come. But currently it is still not there. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593222974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrian Posted October 3, 2010 Share Posted October 3, 2010 Are you kidding? It is indistinguishable from Chrome in its speed. It starts up almost instantly. Firefox takes forever to start up, appears to hang prior to loading any webpage, and then is slow to load the page. I don't like IE, either, but don't go spreading lies just because you prefer Firefox. Mozilla still has a lot of work to do. I don't give a **** about gfx acceleration when it's making zero difference in actual usage (in Firefox). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593224422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwod Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Are you kidding? It is indistinguishable from Chrome in its speed. It starts up almost instantly. Firefox takes forever to start up, appears to hang prior to loading any webpage, and then is slow to load the page. I don't like IE, either, but don't go spreading lies just because you prefer Firefox. Mozilla still has a lot of work to do. I don't give a **** about gfx acceleration when it's making zero difference in actual usage (in Firefox). Spreading lies? You should seriously check with some benchmarks. Firefox may still be lacking behind in terms of start up speed. But not so much are you are putting it as "forever" to start up. With a Clean Profile and lastest nightlies it is almost instantly, that is if you consider Chrome as instant. As a matter of fact IE 9 start up about the same time as firefox on my old Pentium M 1.8Ghz 1GB Ram Windwos 7 32bit Laptop. Like i said Firefox perform much better on older spec machines. ( Or you could choose Opera for even better experience ). And IE 9 appears to hang prior to loading my webpage, as well as slow to load the page, on my machine. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593226036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogas04 Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 Goals say 15% improvement in SS and v8 (since Oct 1 on arewefastyet.com machine) We will get as fast as Chrome v8 in SS in few days :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593226054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted October 4, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted October 4, 2010 Goals say 15% improvement in SS and v8 (since Oct 1 on arewefastyet.com machine) We will get as fast as Chrome v8 in SS in few days :D I hope so. :shifty: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593226182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Audioboxer Subscriber² Posted October 4, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted October 4, 2010 Things are looking good but I'm not touching the nightlies, waiting until beta 7 hits. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593226186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrrgh Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Are you kidding? It is indistinguishable from Chrome in its speed. It starts up almost instantly. Firefox takes forever to start up, appears to hang prior to loading any webpage, and then is slow to load the page. I don't like IE, either, but don't go spreading lies just because you prefer Firefox. Mozilla still has a lot of work to do. I don't give a **** about gfx acceleration when it's making zero difference in actual usage (in Firefox). Not seeing this, I user both Chrome and Firefox daily on a moderately high end machine (Q6600, ATI 5870, Crucial RealSSD) and there is really no start up speed difference between firefox and chrome, both open up instantly. Chrome is faster in javascript benchmarks but firefox beats it in real world usage with d10d hardware acceleration. With hardware acceleration off, chrome is faster. If you get pauses before opening every page, there is obviously something wrong with your install or profile.. I would recommend starting up from a clean profile and leaving out any extensions and see how it works. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593226194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gary7 Subscriber² Posted October 4, 2010 Subscriber² Share Posted October 4, 2010 Things are looking good but I'm not touching the nightlies, waiting until beta 7 hits. When Beta 7 comes out, it will be at least 5 days behind the nightly builds. They are quite stable now. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593226216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted October 4, 2010 Veteran Share Posted October 4, 2010 I really don't see the point in comparing JS speed, unless the benchmark is something time sensitive (i.e. rendering operations or such where it has to be completed within a set time frame) or the difference is massive (like older IE versions where the benchmark might take 10 minutes, vs. 10 seconds in Firefox/Chrome/Safari) For example, Firefox is 74ms faster than Safari on the v8 benchmark, but so what? That's less than 1/10th of a second difference. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593226224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogas04 Posted October 4, 2010 Author Share Posted October 4, 2010 I really don't see the point in comparing JS speed, unless the benchmark is something time sensitive (i.e. rendering operations or such where it has to be completed within a set time frame) or the difference is massive (like older IE versions where the benchmark might take 10 minutes, vs. 10 seconds in Firefox/Chrome/Safari) For example, Firefox is 74ms faster than Safari on the v8 benchmark, but so what? That's less than 1/10th of a second difference. True , but i don't think its wrong to just mention rather than showing lightening and potato shot videos :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593226260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
torrentthief Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 18 blockers left, 3 are critical, more bugs keep being found each day, there was 3 critical then 5 now its back to 3. Looks like it will be 1 week+ until beta 7 is out, can't wait to test it, so many things have landed since beta 6. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593226852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr9zev Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 It's very difficult not to perform better than Firefox ATM, it's by far the slowest browser, even after all these supposed speed improvements. Also, I'm actually using yesterday's build still, because today's build crashes almost immediately upon startup... same here, 3 builds now and the issue still remains unfixed. x64 has some serious problems. no clean install helps as well as having plugins disabled. -safe-mode works. dx10 layers disabled/enabled.. all the same. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/896934-meet-firefox-401/page/105/#findComment-593227080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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