Smallville (Season 10 - The Final Season!)

[LOC Veteran]

Even with the problems such as Darkseid being defeated in about 2 seconds, and Clark having no problem moving an entire planet. My biggest problem was the Lex mindwipe. They spend 7 years developing Lex as a character, explaining why he becomes evil, just to throw that all away at the last minute and have no explanation. :unsure:

Well in Superman Returns they pretty much make Superman into the badass he is supposed to be (aka lifting a giant yacht out of the ocean and lifting up and entire continent out of the ocean and flinging it into space - oh yeah and catching a falling airplane with no wings!).

So I don't have a problem with him doing what he did in the Smallville finale at all really. Though the Darkseid thing was just ridiculous, even worse than the previous season ending fights we've gotten in the past. Though to be fair, Darkseid wasn't really the "main protagonist" of the season so to speak, it was "darkness" and all that jazz.

As for Lex, meh. They kind of left it nebulous as to whether that neural-toxin actually worked or not. The flashbacks were to let you know it was working but I got the distinct impression he remembered everything still. Plus, I think the point of the show was that he was BORN evil, so even if he was mind wiped and started over, he would become evil yet again. But like I said, meh.

[Unrealistic]

At the end of the series, it's just a TV show with very limited budget and small interest amoung the general viewership. Not a movie. Not even a made-for-TV movie NOT as popular as American Idol or Glee :)

You generalize people far too much on here. Do you know the real reason why people are not only disappointed, but make it a talking point every single time?

We have brains; Brains that criticize things we do not like and praise things that we enjoy. Most of the people on Neowin come from some kind of IT background, and with that said, these same type of people tend to enjoy/watch/read about Science Fiction. For you to say "you're not a fan" is absolutely the stupidest generalization you can make. I critique because I used to enjoy the damn thing. I personally stuck it out through all the fillers episodes. Did I complain? Yes. Did I want the writers to eventually produce things that had character development and not filler? Absolutely!

The problem with this show is they lost a significant amount of their best writers and their actors. I enjoyed practically every line John Glover ever acted on this show, except for sadly the finale as it was not his voice. Allison Mack while decently pretty, turned into a melodramatic child for the past few seasons. Towards the middle of the Finale I actually thought she was going to go back to the old Chloe and die in vain to help Clark. I was disappointed that it didn't happen. Instead, she is reading a comic book about Superman, thereby basically meaning that people 7 years later knew who his real identity is. It was stupid.

Tom Welling makes a great Clark Kent/Superman, Erica Durance definitely turned into a much better Lois Lane than I ever thought she could and Michael Rosenbaum has honestly been the definitive Lex Luthor. Of course none of this amounted to anything with terrible writers. Their best stories ended up falling flat, their fights (blah blah blah, let's blame it on the budget!) were always two seconds long after massive drama build ups, and there was so many continuity errors that I feel I don't need to even bring them up again. I still do not understand why you give this show more credit than it deserves.

I think Neowin criticizes the "good" episodes because they simply weren't good; they were simply decent shows. They haven't had a good episode since Michael Rosenbaum left. Remember when Lex went insane trying to figure prove that Clark was indeed more than just a country boy? That storyline was what made the show good. It was infinitely better than anything the series has put out in the past four years. The show never had a huge budget and it was never truly a Science Fiction TV show. It was a drama that needed powerful writing and story lines that had continuity. It had this for a long time. I could go on and on about what was wrong with this show, but it wouldn't even matter. With that said, I'm glad it's gone; it was long overdue.

[sanctified Veteran]

I think it's safe to say that Neowin folks were NEVER big Smallville fans in the first place, thus all these whining.

But that is exactly the problem with you, cheerleader. You think you NEED to be a fan to appreciate something.

A non-fan can be more objective, less permissive, than a fan.

[xWhiplash]

Why would you watch a show when you are not a fan of it? I personally would not.

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Why would you watch a show when you are not a fan of it? I personally would not.

There is a difference between a fanboy and a fan. Jedi is a fanboy. He sees nothing but good. I was a fan of the show. The early seasons were very, very good. Then they lost their way. Mostly because they tried to play to the fanboys by bringing in garbage 'guests'. Booster Gold? What in the name of the living **** is a Booster Gold, and why did we waste one of the final episodes on such a garbage character? Jedi says that the episodes that don't have 'comic' characters are filler. I disagree, it was always the other way around. The ones with the other characters never advanced the story (besides the main cast, of course).

[gooberdrops]

YMost of the people on Neowin come from some kind of IT background

I would call B.S. on this remark.

[BetaAddict]

Most of the people on Neowin come from some kind of IT background, and with that said, these same type of people tend to enjoy/watch/read about Science Fiction.

Are most people on neowin have experience or interests in IT and technology-related topics? Yes. Does that mean we all make a living from IT jobs? No. I, for one, am in med school student. Do not lump us all into one group based on your false generalizations and stereotypes and say that our opinions do not mean anything. Smallville has had a few good episodes/seasons, but the all those fillers really overshadow whatever positive ratings that came from the good ones. The only reason why most of neowinians have stuck around this long despite the producers pushing out poor scripts and acting is because we want to see the ending ending. I do not like quitting in the middle of something without seeing a resolution to the story.

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I would call B.S. on this remark.

He means 'tech' background. As in, they like tech/gadgets/computers. He doesn't mean they work in IT. At least, I don't think he does.

[Unrealistic]

I would call B.S. on this remark.

I wouldn't. It's Neowin.

Are most people on neowin have experience or interests in IT and technology-related topics? Yes. Does that mean we all make a living from IT jobs? No. I, for one, am in med school student. Do not lump us all into one group based on your false generalizations and stereotypes and say that our opinions do not mean anything. Smallville has had a few good episodes/seasons, but the all those fillers really overshadow whatever positive ratings that came from the good ones. The only reason why most of neowinians have stuck around this long despite the producers pushing out poor scripts and acting is because we want to see the ending ending. I do not like quitting in the middle of something without seeing a resolution to the story.

What are you even ranting about? Everything you stated is what I stated in the first place and have been saying for the past few months: The negative outweighs the positive. When did I ever say your opinion meant nothing? Did you just suddenly stop reading my post after that sentence?

As a med student you know how much science/technology/computers are integrated into your field, henceforth my original premise is correct (at least for you).

He means 'tech' background. As in, they like tech/gadgets/computers. He doesn't mean they work in IT. At least, I don't think he does.

Yes, I meant this.

[SuperJediMedia]

Then, again why do I constantly read "Why don't they fly/wear suit already" if you did understand the show?

Also, will have to totally agree to DISAGREE that these latest episodes with DC Comic characters are better than the older episodes in earlier seasons feat characters not of DC Comics origin.

I also have a brain and I like to think, but is this the type of the show you think like Lost? No! I don't get why some people want to think on shows that really does not need a lot thinking?

[RadishTM Veteran]

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I also have a brain

PPOR

[sanctified Veteran]

I also have a brain

I know. Paris Hilton too.

[Jase]

I still don't understand how Lex's mind got wiped? What did they use to wipe his mind? :/

[oceanmotion]

Was it something absurd like his sisters blood when she touched his face. I dunno.

There was a few bad ones over the seasons, some choice ones here.

10 years of terrible episodes

[giantpotato]

I still don't understand how Lex's mind got wiped? What did they use to wipe his mind? :/

I believe it's called a deus ex machina ;)

[rhoward2]

I believe it's called a deus ex machina ;)

Shouldn't that be deux lex machina?

[Rappy Veteran]

Shouldn't that be deux lex machina?

lawl

[ThisSiteHasLostItsCharm]

The only thing I wasn't too keen on in the finale was that Lex came back as a "clone" and not the real Lex, I always assumed the bald guy in the lorry was someone else or a clone, and then to cheapen it just a bit more, they wipe his mind.

Other shows have pulled the clone card recently, Stargate Atlantis (cough the doc, that was just lame) did it a few times and SG1 did it too. Even ST TNG did it with the Khaless character, you're led to believe that he's supposed to return in some vision or something and then when he does he's a fake, kinda ruined the whole mystical vibe of that episode...

I wish characters would stay dead and not return as some fake.

[-Dave-]

The only thing I wasn't too keen on in the finale was that Lex came back as a "clone" and not the real Lex, I always assumed the bald guy in the lorry was someone else or a clone, and then to cheapen it just a bit more, they wipe his mind.

Other shows have pulled the clone card recently, Stargate Atlantis (cough the doc, that was just lame) did it a few times and SG1 did it too. Even ST TNG did it with the Khaless character, you're led to believe that he's supposed to return in some vision or something and then when he does he's a fake, kinda ruined the whole mystical vibe of that episode...

I wish characters would stay dead and not return as some fake.

He wasn't a clone - it was the real lex, but they had to harvest some body parts from the clones.

[*RedBull*]

waste of time...

[ThisSiteHasLostItsCharm]

He wasn't a clone - it was the real lex, but they had to harvest some body parts from the clones.

but didn't he get blown up? surely there wasn't much left of him...

[Dick Montage]

OK, I just watched season 10 over the last week...

The ending, the actual ending, was EXACTLY as expected - becoming Superman. And the switch over to the John Williams music with the "flying in" credits was a nice homage... (I spent the whole final ep thinking "Use the PROPER music")

However... Didn't Clark deal with Darkseid and Apocalypse in roughly 20 seconds? Really? That is the big final battle that we've spent 10 years building towards? I have to say I feel somehow cheated here.

[Gallifrey2]

Wow way to many people whining about the episode. If you watch any superman movies, how long does he protect the world on screen? 30 minutes? The rest he is upset over Lois or something like that. I do not know what people were expecting from a TV show when the superman movies do not have him fight the entire time.

Also, people do not really pay attention to anything anymore. It is no wonder why every single new show gets canceled when they cannot even remember the stuff that happened from the premiere. This was never about a physical confrontation/beatdown between Superman and Darkseid. This season was about internal psychological darkness and a beacon of light overcoming that. People (maybe not all) saw something flying to Apokolips and moving it. Just like Clark said in earlier in the episode, the individual's darkness was providing some sort of gravitational pull to the planet. Just like what Clark did to Oliver, as people broke out of the darkness, the planet became easier for him to move away. I bet you Darkseid will be back for Superman in several years.

You want to see a person in a suit? That is what the movies are for. They never promised it would happen. The show has always been about "A boy's journey to becoming superman" and that is exactly what we got. Clark flew twice this season, and we did see him in portions of the suit. Not seeing him in a full suit is just fine with me. I personally do not care because that is not what the show was about.

I am with you on this one. Too many people complaining about the episode. I have quite enjoyed the last few seasons and did very much enjoy the finale, the boy finally became Superman. There are soo many spin offs that can occur with this series now it is exciting really.