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Some people will never be happy regardless because it's from MS more than anything else. Too much space? It's like some of you have never seen the other browsers out there at all. IE9 takes up less space than Opera 11.0 for me, with a quick side by side comparison I just did. AND that's with the damn fav bar on which I have for my RSS feeds.

Some people will never be happy regardless because it's from MS more than anything else. Too much space? It's like some of you have never seen the other browsers out there at all. IE9 takes up less space than Opera 11.0 for me, with a quick side by side comparison I just did. AND that's with the damn fav bar on which I have for my RSS feeds.

and less than chrome

Can someone who is in the beta program please submit a bug report about the back button? The bottom of it is missing.

Thanks.

That's by design and a great feature in my opinion. Apart from the aesthetics, it makes finding the back button with the mouse pointer much easier. If they decided to not cut off the bottom and make it perfectly round than the radius of the circle will have to be decreased. In that case the back button will become smaller and thus more difficult to find.

If a browser really needs to fix its back button, it must be Chrome. What a fugly and tiny back button that browser has. It takes a lot of effort to successfully click that button while browsing. Why don't the make the button bigger?

My guess is that the design "shift" is because they're trying to better incorporate it with the next version of Windows. We know that the Metro design philosophy calls for cleaner-cut shapes as well as more harsh/sharp edges and I think this is a lead in for that. If you're running a theme with rounded corners, it'll look out of place, but if you're running a theme with square corners, the style may be very fitting.

Some people will never be happy regardless because it's from MS more than anything else. Too much space? It's like some of you have never seen the other browsers out there at all. IE9 takes up less space than Opera 11.0 for me, with a quick side by side comparison I just did. AND that's with the damn fav bar on which I have for my RSS feeds.

Really?

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(minus the status bar, but you can easily disable it at will)

Sure why not...

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QuickTime X is a good example. Could work for a web browser as well. I really like the idea actually...

Not necessarily. That would mean, that the user interface would eventually have to be displayed over the rendering area.

The controls in QuickTime disappear (I assume) as soon as you stop fiddling with them.

In a browser, anything being displayed over your content, rather than by content (with is interactive, as opposed to a movie that you, well... watch) will just greatly annoy you, because you won't be able to read or click whatever is underneath.

Not necessarily. That would mean, that the user interface would eventually have to be displayed over the rendering area.

Doesn't have to be a problem: The scroll balk could scale accordingly when the toolbar appears/disappears. The toolbar would appear when you hover over the top part of the window.

In a browser, anything being displayed over your content, rather than by content (with is interactive, as opposed to a movie that you, well... watch) will just greatly annoy you, because you won't be able to read or click whatever is underneath.

That's a non-issue. Basically the only time you need the toolbar in the first place is when you want to leave the page and switch to anther one, that is beyond adding a bookmark. I can't think of a single reason why I would need content and the toolbar to be visible at the exact same time.

Really?

Browser%20height%20comparison.png

(minus the status bar, but you can easily disable it at will)

He's right if Opera didn't eat up the titlebar. The titlebar should be left to allow the window to be grabbed easily, Opera's UI will not work well for less experienced users or with touch-enabled platforms. So I think it's fair to say that the extra space gained should not be counted.

Really?

Browser%20height%20comparison.png

(minus the status bar, but you can easily disable it at will)

Uhhhh... didn't you just prove his point? With both having the favorites bar on, it's the same, not more. If both have it turned off, it's still less. Your screenshot proves that, doesn't it?

That said, I will not use Internet Explorer until a decent spell checker is implemented. The third-party ones all suck. Why has Microsoft not added one yet?

Uhhhh... didn't you just prove his point? With both having the favorites bar on, it's the same, not more. If both have it turned off, it's still less. Your screenshot proves that, doesn't it?

I think it would be roughly the same if the favourites bar was off (for both).

Either way, we're talking about being a handful of pixels off and I think this whole space discussion is a non-issue.

He's right if Opera didn't eat up the titlebar. The titlebar should be left to allow the window to be grabbed easily, Opera's UI will not work well for less experienced users or with touch-enabled platforms. So I think it's fair to say that the extra space gained should not be counted.

I agree for touch users. For mouse users, there's a really small slim area that still allows users to drag the window down from being maximized. This is a middle ground between the approaches Microsoft and Google/Mozilla are taking.

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