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Wow, here I was thinking we could talk all polite in this thread. Guess I was wrong. Oh wait, I guess YOU don't have the capacity to talk politely without getting all butt hurt about something.

Well it's obvious you just won't see reason. You've made your mind up that we should all be incredibly grateful to EA for fooling us in to believing we were a part of the Beta Testing process.

I'd have been happier to be involved in the beta if my input was actually valued. It isn't. They already did all their testing and they are simply calling this a Beta when it's really just giving us a demonstration of the game (even if it's a beta build from a month ago).

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Wow, here I was thinking we could talk all polite in this thread. Guess I was wrong. Oh wait, I guess YOU don't have the capacity to talk politely without getting all butt hurt about something.

I do in fact get it that it's odd of them to give us a month old build and are expecting us to give them feedback on that. But the thing I don't understand is that some people are almost hating on that fact.

I'm not getting upset about it. I don't really think anyone is on here at least. We're just scratching our heads trying to figure out why it's being done that way.

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The funniest part I think is that when they were testing Caspian Border they password protected it. So they wanted people to test the map but not the Open Beta people. Only their people. If that doesn't prove that this "Open Beta" is just a glorified demo then I don't know what does.

If it was a real beta where we were expected to test things we would have been involved in the Caspian Border beta test.

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i agree with what you've said except this part - "when the full game drops give your critique to the published/developer." No, the beta is the perfect time to give critique so that developers can address the identified problems before the game launches or shortly after. That's kinda the purpose of betas - to identify problems before the game ships.

What is NOT right is to draw conclusions about the quality of the final product. That will be determined on 25.10.

I meant critique about the publisher/developer :p Besides that they indeed do need the comments/critique about the game.

@Vice: Where exactly did I say you all should be incredibly grateful to EA for fooling everyone? I believe that ViperAFK gave a believable reason to why we're playing a month old version. Though they could've changed that through updates I suppose. And yeah, in that view it might as well be a demo. But to me demo's are bug-less parts of the actual full game. Hence why in my eyes it's wrong to glorify the beta as a demo. But I guess that's just me.

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I meant critique about the publisher/developer :p Besides that they indeed do need the comments/critique about the game.

@Vice: Where exactly did I say you all should be incredibly grateful to EA for fooling everyone? I believe that ViperAFK gave a believable reason to why we're playing a month old version. Though they could've changed that through updates I suppose. And yeah, in that view it might as well be a demo. But to me demo's are bug-less parts of the actual full game. Hence why in my eyes it's wrong to glorify the beta as a demo. But I guess that's just me.

I'm not saying that the build we are playing is not a Beta build of the game. It is an old build a month old Beta build. My point is they are using the Beta build from a month ago as a Demo because our input on the Beta is not needed. That is not how Betas work. Betas in code like this are for discovering and reporting bugs. They don't want us to do any reporting they just want us to play the game. So to me this is not a real open beta this is an open demo / sample using old code.

And I agree with you that demos should use retail code. But that is actually rarely the case. Many games that have demos for PC usually use Beta and old versions where strange bugs persist that are already fixed in the retail copy.

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^True that, but is that really a reason to be all negative about them? They still gave you something for free. I don't see any reason to get all negative about it.

@Vice: It's still a beta as a demo doesn't contain bugs and whatnot. I don't get it why people are calling this a demo all of a sudden at all :s Keep on slapping a title on it yourselves when the people who released it actually call it a beta.

I really don't get it any more. Developers decide to give us something, everyone gets greedy. Developers decide to take long while developing a game, everyone demands a release instantly. Players want an HD release of an old game, they start demanding it from the developers. When did it all change to the players demanding everything from these developers?

I completely agree with you Capric0rn, also with your previous post if I made the sound wrong :pinch: I also don't get all the negativity :blink: actually I have hardly anything to add^^ People seem to think they are entitled to something, if I like the game I buy it, if I don't, I leave it in the store.

I meant critique about the publisher/developer :p Besides that they indeed do need the comments/critique about the game.

@Vice: Where exactly did I say you all should be incredibly grateful to EA for fooling everyone? I believe that ViperAFK gave a believable reason to why we're playing a month old version. Though they could've changed that through updates I suppose. And yeah, in that view it might as well be a demo. But to me demo's are bug-less parts of the actual full game. Hence why in my eyes it's wrong to glorify the beta as a demo. But I guess that's just me.

Count me in too! :p

Instead of scratching your heads, I can only guess but it's all that way because of the long verification phases of consoles and to maintain equality between PCs and consoles.

I agree with the Caspian Border thing like said but yeah, maybe it will still come!

I'm not saying that the build we are playing is not a Beta build of the game. It is an old build a month old Beta build. My point is they are using the Beta build from a month ago as a Demo because our input on the Beta is not needed. That is not how Betas work. Betas in code like this are for discovering and reporting bugs. They don't want us to do any reporting they just want us to play the game. So to me this is not a real open beta this is an open demo / sample using old code.

And I agree with you that demos should use retail code. But that is actually rarely the case. Many games that have demos for PC usually use Beta and old versions where strange bugs persist that are already fixed in the retail copy.

And why can't we just report any feedback but game bugs? :p

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And why can't we just report any feedback but game bugs? :p

K. I think the shotgun crosshair should be smaller. Oh wait they already fixed that in the retail release. No need to give that input.

They've altered the game more than just where Bugs are concerned so you don't know if the feedback you're giving has already been changed or not. That is the whole point.

I just think it's a bit disingenuous of them to call this a Open Beta when it really isn't. And you know you can give gameplay feedback for a demo too.

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^I wouldn't really count on Caspian Border anymore. In fact, I myself don't even want to play it in this beta. I want it to be a complete new experience once I play the full version.

I'm not saying that the build we are playing is not a Beta build of the game. It is an old build a month old Beta build. My point is they are using the Beta build from a month ago as a Demo because our input on the Beta is not needed. That is not how Betas work. Betas in code like this are for discovering and reporting bugs. They don't want us to do any reporting they just want us to play the game. So to me this is not a real open beta this is an open demo / sample using old code.

And I agree with you that demos should use retail code. But that is actually rarely the case. Many games that have demos for PC usually use Beta and old versions where strange bugs persist that are already fixed in the retail copy.

I just hope they actually give us their explanation for all this. I for one am just glad I'm able to play the beta. My only reason for playing the beta is to see if my PC could handle it. I know it'll be a different story with the final version. But now I can at least kinda see how the final version might run. Though it's true that they should have given us an up to date version of the game to actually test the beta for them.

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http://www.examiner....-order-discount

Is the above NewEgg price cut promo code link working for anyone?

Every time I put the PS3 and/or the PC version in my cart, enter the code, and hit add; The items stay in my cart at the normal price and it redirects me back out to NewEgg's home page.

(P.S. You guys crack me up with all your pointless and repetitive arguing. Why bother wasting your time like that?)

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K. I think the shotgun crosshair should be smaller. Oh wait they already fixed that in the retail release. No need to give that input.

They've altered the game more than just where Bugs are concerned so you don't know if the feedback you're giving has already been changed or not. That is the whole point.

I just think it's a bit disingenuous of them to call this a Open Beta when it really isn't. And you know you can give gameplay feedback for a demo too.

Yep I won't argue here, you're right^^ It would have been best if they just released the full changelog between the Beta build and the current build so we can focus on additional things :/ Of course they could also patch things in a instant I bet but that's only for PC, if they start sending a Beta patch to Mircosoft and Sony now it would atleast take one week minimum to be approved and that wouldn't help much anymore :pinch: Sure they could patch the PC Beta only but I had that already...^^

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^I wouldn't really count on Caspian Border anymore. In fact, I myself don't even want to play it in this beta. I want it to be a complete new experience once I play the full version.

I just hope they actually give us their explanation for all this. I for one am just glad I'm able to play the beta. My only reason for playing the beta is to see if my PC could handle it. I know it'll be a different story with the final version. But now I can at least kinda see how the final version might run. Though it's true that they should have given us an up to date version of the game to actually test the beta for them.

Based on the game so far I'm looking forward to the release. I have a pre-order with Origin at this point. I'm sure the final thing will play great. I did get to play a bit of Caspian Border when the password leaked and it was quite fun.

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You are making ridiculous assumptions. Just because the build is a month old does not mean all feedback is irrelevant...

You really think they'd release a demo where everyone falls through the ground? What DICE is trying to say, and what people refuse to understand is a beta build is NOT representative of the final. Of course bugs are fixed between the beta and final build.

How are his assumptions ridiculous? One would also think they wouldn't release a public beta that's based on a build that's a month old, but everyone here keeps saying that's what they did. Why would you do that? It makes absolutely no sense. So, no, if DICE and EA are going to release a public beta that isn't representative of the final product in most aspects, then I'm not going to have much faith in them doing the intelligent thing in other situations.

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^I wouldn't really count on Caspian Border anymore. In fact, I myself don't even want to play it in this beta. I want it to be a complete new experience once I play the full version.

I just hope they actually give us their explanation for all this. I for one am just glad I'm able to play the beta. My only reason for playing the beta is to see if my PC could handle it. I know it'll be a different story with the final version. But now I can at least kinda see how the final version might run. Though it's true that they should have given us an up to date version of the game to actually test the beta for them.

Yep I agree again here! And you're actually right, I haven't though about that I spoiled myself the experience :p

Based on the game so far I'm looking forward to the release. I have a pre-order with Origin at this point. I'm sure the final thing will play great. I did get to play a bit of Caspian Border when the password leaked and it was quite fun.

Same here, I'm also looking forward to the final release, especially Conquesting^^ Did anybody else climb the huge tower in the middle only to find three snipers ready to be knifed? :rofl:

How are his assumptions ridiculous? One would also think they wouldn't release a public beta that's based on a build that's a month old, but everyone here keeps saying that's what they did. Why would you do that? It makes absolutely no sense. So, no, if DICE and EA are going to release a public beta that isn't representative of the final product in most aspects, then I'm not going to have much faith in them doing the intelligent thing in other situations.

And I say it one last time: Week(s) long console approval process :pinch:

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And I say it one last time: Week(s) long console approval process :pinch:

OK, to repeat: if it's the console approval process, why are PC users also having a fairly significant amount of issues?

It only takes 5-7 days for the Microsoft and Sony approval process. So I'm not seeing a whole lot of logic in that argument.

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OK, to repeat: if it's the console approval process, why are PC users also having a fairly significant amount of issues?

It only takes 5-7 days for the Microsoft and Sony approval process. So I'm not seeing a whole lot of logic in that argument.

That's a good point but what kind of issues do you mean now? And as I stated earler, I guess they want to maintain equality between PC and console users, simultaneous release, same build etc. Yes PC players have to suffer but the other way around consoles have to suffer, again no way to win :pinch:

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I am enjoying the game, my little gtx460 is holding up nicely. only real problem i am having is an issue with the ea id, but i got a few weeks yet to sort that out..

I too was very surprised at how my gtx460 performed, but now that I have a 580, my little 460 is all alone :-(

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Based on the game so far I'm looking forward to the release. I have a pre-order with Origin at this point. I'm sure the final thing will play great. I did get to play a bit of Caspian Border when the password leaked and it was quite fun.

I've pre-ordered mine through a Dutch online warehouse. They're also giving us the SPECACT kit. I just hope I can play the full version with the same settings, lol. Time will tell.

To the GTX460 users, I was surprised to to see the game setup with everything on high and be able to play it with no slowdowns etc. One thing I did have to lower down was the Anisotropic filter in order to use Anti-Aliasing. I've set the latter to 4x and I believe Anisotropic filtering to 4 or 8 instead of 16. The city part of Operation Metro just lagged a little too much for my liking.

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*ignores all pointless arguing in thread*

Annnyyyywaaayyy, started playing aggressive sniper (BattleReport: http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/535783/1/241812808/) and I really enjoyed. Most of you know by know I'm not a huge fan of the recon/sniper class but this was actually all right. Got a lot more deaths than you would expect from a recon class. But that's because of my playing style. Many people don't expect to see a recon in your face. OHKs are nice up close too. I don't play with any sniper scopes so that eliminates the glare. Might experiment with the TacLight or RedLaser because of how aggressive I play it might come in handy.

PS, Pistols rock in this game!

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Just tried the demo, but my card is only a GTX 260. I have a Core i7 860 with 12GB. Will upgrading my card help significantly? It's pretty laggy now as is.

I'd say you'd notice a big improvement upgrading your card.

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This chart doesn't seem to be entirely accurate (I play at 70-80FPS on average, and rarely dip below 60 with my 560 Ti), but it'll give you a good idea on where you stand.

A good card to shoot for is at least a 560 Ti, but if you can afford something better by all means go for it.

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That's a good point but what kind of issues do you mean now? And as I stated earler, I guess they want to maintain equality between PC and console users, simultaneous release, same build etc. Yes PC players have to suffer but the other way around consoles have to suffer, again no way to win :pinch:

Why shouldn't consoles have to suffer? PC's have to suffer with half-assed, crappy ports that are worse than the original lead platform all the time. It's about time console gamers get a taste of it too.

I've pre-ordered mine through a Dutch online warehouse. They're also giving us the SPECACT kit. I just hope I can play the full version with the same settings, lol. Time will tell.

To the GTX460 users, I was surprised to to see the game setup with everything on high and be able to play it with no slowdowns etc. One thing I did have to lower down was the Anisotropic filter in order to use Anti-Aliasing. I've set the latter to 4x and I believe Anisotropic filtering to 4 or 8 instead of 16. The city part of Operation Metro just lagged a little too much for my liking.

It may give pretty good performance on a GTX460 but the occasional flicker i mentioned thursday and the inherent stability issues in this broken "beta" kind of make the performance not matter.

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